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  •  This is one of those things his tune has never (14+ / 0-)

    changed on.

    “the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas”.
    He had the same answers when he was first running for office in the 90's.

    "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

    by JesseCW on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:14:02 AM PST

    •  Probably because that's a stone cold fact. (7+ / 0-)

      A fact represented by the other fact that 2 different words evolved to describe them.....

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:25:07 AM PST

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    •  I live in NYC... (22+ / 0-)

      ...but I often stay in Vermont.

      When I'm in rural Vermont, I feel safer because I know that people are allowed to have guns.

      When I'm in NYC, I feel safer because I know that people aren't allowed to have guns.

      Once population density reaches a certain point, the medicine becomes the poison.

      •  Is that because there are too many (0+ / 0-)

        minority people in NYC? Unlike in lily white Vermont??

        Just trying to figure out what your post could possibly mean . .. .. .

        •  I think it means your safer when there are alot of (3+ / 0-)
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          people around and there are people to hear you when you call for help. And when there are a lot of people the less guns the better. When you are in the middle of nowhere it is good to know that the only people around that can get to you quickly, your closest neighbor, have the means to repel violent attack.

          Assuming the comment had anything to do with race is BS

          •  OK, that makes zero sense (0+ / 0-)

            but, I suppose that's par for the course for a gun apologist.

            •  When there are a lot of people around you are (1+ / 0-)
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              generally safe by virtue of percentages of good folks who will help and the likelihood of police officers being near by. That gets tossed out the window if everybody draws a gun, then who's who gets confused and the situation turns more chaotic.

              In a rural area, your closest neighbor could be a mile or more and the closest police could be an hour or more. You call your neighbor before you call the police b/c they can get there to help first.  

          •  Another way to look at this is that (0+ / 0-)

            as this Atlantic Monthly article outlines, a major driving force FOR gun rights a couple of generations ago was the right for African Americans to defend their rights in cities.

            Yes, that's right - in the cities, not in the back woods.

            The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement.
            a bit more:
            HE EIGHTH-GRADE STUDENTS gathering on the west lawn of the state capitol in Sacramento were planning to lunch on fried chicken with California’s new governor, Ronald Reagan, and then tour the granite building constructed a century earlier to resemble the nation’s Capitol. But the festivities were interrupted by the arrival of 30 young black men and women carrying .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns, and .45-caliber pistols.

            The 24 men and six women climbed the capitol steps, and one man, Bobby Seale, began to read from a prepared statement. “The American people in general and the black people in particular,” he announced, must

            take careful note of the racist California legislature aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless Black people have begged, prayed, petitioned, demonstrated, and everything else to get the racist power structure of America to right the wrongs which have historically been perpetuated against black people The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late.
            Seale then turned to the others. “All right, brothers, come on. We’re going inside.” He opened the door, and the radicals walked straight into the state’s most important government building, loaded guns in hand. No metal detectors stood in their way.

            It was May 2, 1967, and the Black Panthers’ invasion of the California statehouse launched the modern gun-rights movement.

            •  the modern gun control movement is comprised (0+ / 0-)

              of a lot of black churches among other minority dominant organizations. I would argue that 1967 gun-rights movement is not that well related to the modern gun-rights movement that seems to be dominated by groups affiliated with white supremacists.

        •  No, it has... (2+ / 0-)
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 do with population density. One gun is safety. Fifty guns is chaos.

          Also, in a rural setting the lack of gun control makes you safer even if you don't have a gun. The fact that you might have a gun deters most criminals.

    •  I respect the President & Vice President: Plan (1+ / 0-)
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      they presented is IMO a good one and doesn't cripple the Constitution.

      Apparently that's not enough for some people, including Senator Dianne Feinstein.

      The introduction to her bill announces an intention to ensure everyone knows the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:08:25 AM PST

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