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  •  Are you aware that Sweden has already agreed (0+ / 0-)

    to hand him over to the US whenever the US asks despite the fact that it would be illegal to do so under Swedish law?

    You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

    by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:13:29 AM PST

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    •  Are you aware that what you just wrote (0+ / 0-)

      doesn't even bear a resemblance to reality?

      Sweden has repeatedly pointed out that it doesn't (and cannot) extradite for intelligence or military crimes, or where there's a risk of the death penalty or abuse (the former two are Sweden-specific, the latter two apply to all of Europe).  What they will not do - and cannot do - is give a preemptive guarantee to veto any extradition request that might come in the future no matter what it's grounds.  Because that would be explicitly illegal under Swedish law, which states that the Supreme Court gets to rule on any extradition request first, then the government.  Not to mention that refusing a nonexistent request would also be a treaty violation, and you've probably got a violation of the Swedish constitution in there to boot for trying to usurp the courts.  I'd be glad to cite Swedish law and legal experts if you're interested.

      Trying to extradite someone from Sweden who's there under an EAW would be one of the most complicated and difficult conceivable ways imaginable to extradite someone.  It would take the approval of five separate bodies (aka, all with veto power) - the British government, the British courts, the Swedish government, the Swedish courts, and the ECHR.  All five are banned from extraditing where the death penalty is a risk.  All five are banned from extraditing where abuse is a risk (even supermax prison is deemed "abuse").  Two (the Swedish side) cannot extradite for intelligence or military crimes.  And the ECHR exists solely to prevent abuses and political prosecutions and such, and is generally accused of way overstepping its bounds in doing so.

      Assange thought so much of the Swedish system that he was applying for a residence permit there.  He repeatedly referred to Sweden as his "shield".  It has excellent whistleblower protections and is ranked #1 in the world in terms of fundamental rights of the accused by the peer-reviewed World Justice Project.  Sweden has harbored many dozens of US defectors including, for example, CIA defector Edward Lee Howard, who was giving top secret info to the Soviets.  The US coudn't touch him.  It has never in its history succeeded at getting someone from Sweden for intelligence or military charges.  Oh, and Sweden's prime minister at the time the US tried to get Howard?  The same Carl Bildt who is now the Foreign Minister that Assange rails against.  Funny that.

      Even getting him from the bodies least likely to block an extradition - the British - is in itself an absurdity.  It took eight years to get Abu Hamza.  Abu Freaking Hamza, a guy who everyone hated, who was trying to set up terrorist training camps inside the US - and it even took promises of not only no death penalty, but no supermax.  Gary McKinnon, the foremost hacker of US military systems in its history, think the US didn't want him?  It couldn't get him at all - and why?  "Because he has Aspergers" (as if Julian I-Have-To-Wear-Certain-Jackets-To-Write-Certain-Types-Of-Documents Assange doesn't?).  Assange thought so much of the British judicial system that when Sweden tried to bring him in for rape, he had no problem setting up base in the UK instead, where the UK would have been his only shield against a US extradition.

      And hey, lets expound on this conspiracy a bit more, now shall we?  Assange was an international globetrotter.  The US could have grabbed him from pretty much any place on Earth.  But instead, they said, "Nah, let's get him from one of the only places on Earth that doesn't extradite for military or intelligence crimes.  In Europe, where they have death penalty and abuse restrictions, too!  And rather than just extradite him, let's first frame him for a local crime, making it a hundred times harder to extradite him for what we want him for.  And rather than setting him up for an easy crime, lets pick one that has a low conviction rate and for which people automatically disbelieve the accusers!  And let's stack the Swedish prosecutor's office, the Swedish lower court at Svea, and the Swedish Supreme Court with CIA agents to rule against him!  And hey, lets not warn Sweden when he heads to the UK!  And let's have this get all complicated with an EAW just to make it even harder!  And then let's stack the British lower court, high court, and Supreme court with CIA agents too!  And then let's not warn the UK when he flees to the Ecuadorian embassy!"

      Who's running the CIA these days, Bozo the Clown?  The whole concept is so far into Fantasyland that parents in Narnia could use it as a bedtime story for their children.

      But hey, kudos to you for sticking up for someone running from rape charges and automatically dismissing the charges against them.  Because god knows we don't have enough people like that in the world already when it comes to rape cases.  And Julian Women's-Brains-Can't-Do-Math Assange, Julian I-Am-A-God-To-Women Assange, Julian Cyberstalked-A-19-Year-Old-When-He-Was-32 D'Assange, oh no, he could never do anything like this!

      •  That is just for extradition through the (1+ / 0-)
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        normal channels though.  All it would really take is grabbing him and putting him on a plane bound for the US.  Yes it would be illegal but it would be a royal mess trying to actually do anything about it.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:00:56 AM PST

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        •  Which also could have been done anywhere. (0+ / 0-)

          FAR, far, far, FAR easier than from in Europe.  Especially from Sweden.  Here's what Wikileaks itself says happened the last time the US tried to do anything even remotely like that.  Sweden had their special forces disguise themselves as airport workers and take over a CIA jet.

        •  And more to say... (0+ / 0-)

          Heck, if Assange wants to be safe from a CIA kidnapping, the last place on Earth he should go is Ecuador.  Regular kidnappings and murders are rampant in Ecuador, it would be trivial to pass it off as random crime.  And what would be the negative geopolitical result if they were discovered - the Ecuadorian government might not like them?  Ecuador already doesn't like the US.

          It'd be hard to pick a worse place for Assange to go to than Ecuador if getting kidnapped by the CIA was his primary concern.

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