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  •  Much of this issue is about racism and (2+ / 0-)
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    charliehall2, papa monzano

    if you can't see that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

    If English people were banging down our doors, you would see a lot less of the opposition to immigration from the most ardent opponents right now.

    •  my apologies (0+ / 0-)

      Nobody should equate immigrant rights with the ridiculous perceived right to attend school.

      I stand corrected.

      If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

      by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:12:51 AM PST

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    •  Don't conflate the issues (0+ / 0-)

      Where immigration policy is racist and a violation of civil rights -- as in Arizona's ridiculous "papers, please" law -- it should be fought. But there is no civil right to cross a country's established borders.

      If you really want to eliminate the border, then own up to it.

      •  eliminate the border? (1+ / 0-)
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        inclusiveheart

        so no matter what happens to illegal immigrants, it's fine, since they shouldn't be here in the first place?

        good to know they're dehumanized for being here. can't imagine how I made a parallel to dehumanizing black people for wanting opportunity.

        Glad you are here legally. Congratulations on navigating a bad process. I'm sure there's no chance Gov. Brewer would assume otherwise, since it's not like she's a racist with potential sway over federal immigration policy.

        Like if Wallace had been in charge of deciding if desegregated schools were "safe enough".

        If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

        by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:31:19 AM PST

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        •  Reading is fundamental (0+ / 0-)

          Have fun arguing with yourself, because you're not responding to what I wrote.

          •  arguing with myself is fine. (0+ / 0-)

            so brewer involvement is warranted because this isn't a civil rights issue, rather a legal-status issue?

            I realize I may not be in this discussion the same way you are (a legal immigrant) but I do view keeping a group of people in limbo while depending on them as a workforce to be a civil rights issue, and asking the most egregious state's governor to weigh in is a bad idea, akin to asking other notable racists to weigh in on their particular issues.

            I'm not calling for an end to borders. I am calling for not asking Jan Brewer whether she feels safe enough from brown people and using that as immigration policy.

            We disagree on this issue, and that's fine. Have a good day.

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            well, papa, I guess we agree to disagree. Have a wonderful day.

            If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

            by papa monzano on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:05:24 AM PST

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          •  Yes and comprehension is a completely (1+ / 0-)
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            papa monzano

            other important skill once you get the reading part down.

            Most of the people who are currently in limbo in our system actually crossed the border legally.  Many within that group made the attempt to get permanent status.  Years and years of under-funding and mismanagement at INS and then at HLS has created a backlog of people in this country who are here without status.

            I had friends - she American and he Swedish - who tried to get his paperwork through for eight years.  After the fourth time their paperwork was lost they gave up and went to Sweden - and she is American - they were married - and when they gave up here Sweden took her in without a problem - shaking head.  

            The story is much longer and more complicated and the experience was more expensive than the short paragraph above would ever convey, but suffice it to say that a maid or a farmworker would never be able to have found a way to pay for the multiple filings my friends had to make - and their case was not an exception to a rule.

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