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  •  Not really. The costs, including additional (2+ / 0-)
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    manpower, are always supposed to be covered by the application fees.

    •  The costs of a slow process or (0+ / 0-)

      the costs of a reasonably rapid process?

      •  The back of the line question isn't all (0+ / 0-)

        that straight forward - there are enough people in the mix who actually tried and gave up after submitting paperwork and paying fees only to find that their paperwork was lost.  Also, on the fee front, I think that there are a lot of questions and issues - it is one thing to be coming here for a high paying job and paying those fees and paying lawyers fees on top of that, but if you are a maid or a farmworker, those costs are difficult to pay for - and that's a class of labor we are looking for in this country.

        Also, requirements that people go back to their country of origin in order to "get to the back of the line" are not helpful or productive in trying to unravel what is essentially a backlog in the processing system.

        Dopey Republican sloganeering about lines, amnesty and secure borders really only serve to mask the complexity of the problem that they created through decades systematic attacks on our own immigration system which at one time was relatively high-functioning.

        •  "fees" should not be punitive (0+ / 0-)

          but they are also talking about "fines." There should also be fee waivers available. (Like if you worked for 15 or 20 years feeding the US and fell out of a tree, can get care at the emergency room maybe, and are disabled.)

          Human reason is beautiful and invincible --Milosz, Incantation

          by juancito on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 11:37:44 AM PST

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    •  I think that at this point, part of the push for (1+ / 0-)
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      more and more SW border security is almost a form of pork since border security is already reported to cost more than FBI ATF and a lot of other police-like Federal services combined. There's never going to be enough money from fees to cover that. And getting governors' agreement as to what is 'enough' won't work because ethnic issues will mean there is never enough to satisfy them, until the occupants of those chairs are different folk than they are now.

      And I do note that there are actually other border with immigration issues which are not in the SW and not covered by that batch of governnor who get consulted on this which underlines the pork issue. It's just that for most of those irregularly documented folk, the local community is not so much discriminating against them anyway on ethnic grounds. Remember when HRC was running and she visited irregularly documented folk who were Irish in the Bronx and promised to help them, and nobody complained about that at all, no matter how much the Rs hate her personally.

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