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  •  Lovely diary (12+ / 0-)

    Thanks for sharing it and Mike with me.

    Never heard of a biologist making the claim that animals don't grieve. It'd have to be one of those moon-landing-hoax, climate-change-denier, young-earth type biologists who has been living in the back of a cave with his head stuffed in a burlap sack for his entire adult life.

    “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

    by Marko the Werelynx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 02:08:29 PM PST

    •  I've run across that attitude in books (12+ / 0-)

      pn feline behavior. according to certain school of thoughts, cats who act upset are only unhappy becaues their routine has changed--and the other cat who died was just part of that routine.  I swear there are some animal behavior specialists  and naturalists seem to dislike the animals they study. I refuse to watch any of the documentaries on NGC and Animal Planet  about big cats becasue the idiots don't seem to care that a cub they watched be born has died.

      I am WIccan and we see the universe as ensouled, all living things.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 02:18:00 PM PST

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      •  There's never been a lack (5+ / 0-)
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        of clueless idiots in this world.

        How many times have I had to redo plumbing installed by professional plumbers? Ugh... maybe some of them finally took a correspondence course in biology and decided to give up their careers as Roto-rooter men and write books on animal behavior instead.

        I suppose in the world of documentaries a certain amount of detachment from your subject is a good thing. And then there's a great and wonderful thing ... I'm a fan of Jane Goodall.

        I'm personally not particularly bothered by documentaries that just lay out the cold facts of life and don't bother giving every cub a name with a running commentary on their adorable antics.

        Death for one critter's cub may mean the survival of dozens, thousands of other creatures. From death springs life and I try not to place greater value on a particular life based on how cute it is (to my odd, very human sense of what is appealing). It's certainly the message my rational brain would like to follow-- but my emotional responses keep thwarting my best efforts to be logical and impartial in my observations of nature. I am a dismal, fuzzy-headed failure.

        Anyway, here's a good link which describes how animals grieve.

        “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

        by Marko the Werelynx on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 02:58:18 PM PST

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        •  No... not a "failure" of any kind.... (4+ / 0-)
          It's certainly the message my rational brain would like to follow-- but my emotional responses keep thwarting my best efforts to be logical and impartial in my observations of nature. I am a dismal, fuzzy-headed failure.
          You are, instead, a loving and humane human being.

          I'm another Jane Goodall fan!  I do perfectly well with the purely scientific, logical, practical explanations..., but looking into the eyes of some of the chimps, especially bonobos (which Goodall did not study) - and great apes (yes, I also admired Dian Fossey) - one can see the other side of our own humanity.  I see the same thing reflected in the eyes of elephants who are magnificent and oh-so-gentle with their babies or siblings or nieces and nephews, the great cats, giraffes, our canine friends, pandas, etc.

          I was born and raised on a farm, we had animals around us either at home or at relatives' and friends' places.  There's not a scientist anywhere in the world who could ever convince me animals don't feel emotions.  I know they do.  I've seen it, experienced sharing grief with some of them; one just has to pay attention to their body language and some of their vocalizations to know they feel emotions.  Just because they don't share our vocabulary, it does not logically follow that they are not capable of deep affection and other emotions.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:53:38 PM PST

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