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  •  I don't get it. (2+ / 0-)
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    wader, Yasuragi

    I don't get why TTFNs or GBCWs would even warrant the effort to ban or whatever.  

    Everyone here writes about everything....so what is the big deal?

    The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:34:19 PM PST

    •  It's not for us to "get" or not "get" (1+ / 0-)
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      wader

      as it is not our site and we don't make the rules.  We are part of a club where they don't stand for squawks.  

      It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

      by Radiowalla on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:37:10 PM PST

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      •  Well, when you think (5+ / 0-)

        about it, all we do is squawk about everything under the sun.  Almost everything here is about someone being upset over something going on in the world.

        I don't get the GBCW or TTFN diaries, and I don't get the added drama [which is why Kos is banning these] over the drama over the drama........oh, I'm dizzy now....

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:42:05 PM PST

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        •  Me, too! Let's have a drink! (1+ / 0-)
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          wader

          It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

          by Radiowalla on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:58:41 PM PST

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          •  You're buying. (4+ / 0-)
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            Radiowalla, wader, gooderservice, Avila

            I just got laid off.

            I think Kos ought to hire me as a moderator since I'm so even handed and decent.

            The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

            by dfarrah on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 04:06:09 PM PST

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            •  Would be nice (2+ / 0-)
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              Radiowalla, Avila

              but, I suspect he doesn't trust many people.  Or, doesn't want to.

              Many of us have volunteered to help moderate, with little to no assumption of additional site "powers" - just well-defined and community-recognized roles.

              He's outspokenly against it.  He sees no real problems with the site dynamics beyond what black/white rules and some collaborations tools can provide, IMHO.

              "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

              by wader on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 04:16:43 PM PST

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              •  Kos has the right idea. (2+ / 0-)
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                Noddy, LaEscapee

                Look what happened to MB, how mistreated he was.

                •  He did a nice job, but was terribly stretched (0+ / 0-)

                  He also cleaned out some bad situations quite clearly.

                  It was a magnificent effort on his part, but poorly planned out by kos: he needed far more coverage and backup, a literal group of moderators doing similar things.

                  Anyone attempting to help as a mod (i.e., mods should be helpful more than police, IMHO) will encounter resistance from entrenched interests - that goes with the job role.

                  "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

                  by wader on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 06:19:51 PM PST

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                  •  A personal reply to you: (1+ / 0-)
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                    Nada Lemming

                    I"m getting really tired of reading/hearing you complain what a bad guy Kos is.

                    If you don't like his rules, his site, well...

                    •  You seem to be taking critiques of the site (0+ / 0-)

                      owner rather personally.  Are you implying that's all I do, because you seem to enjoy making grand generalizations and coming up with rather simplistic, black/white solutions - much as I'm seeing from kos in this "new rule."

                      Great that you support that!

                      Don't expect to push people out who sincerely disagree.  Nor should you expect to silence folks whose equally worthy opinions to voice you happen to not enjoy.

                      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

                      by wader on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 09:15:39 PM PST

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                      •  No, I "seem" to be wondering why people (0+ / 0-)

                        who are so unhappy with the way this site is run still want to post here.  It's really that simple.  And I've replied to you because I've read several comments in recent diaries where you've said how bad things are run, i.e., how Kos runs this site.

                        I've been at sites that I don't like the way they're run.  And I leave, period.  No muss, no fuss.  There are thousands of political sites.  

              •  Yeah, I can't (0+ / 0-)

                say I'm interested in moderating or that this site needs much--I just figured with all the diaries about it, maybe some $$ might be available for such a position.

                The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

                by dfarrah on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:52:01 AM PST

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            •  Radio is buying? Count me in n/t (2+ / 0-)
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              Radiowalla, dfarrah

              There are no sacred cows.

              by LaEscapee on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:20:33 PM PST

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    •  Because Kos takes it personally (2+ / 0-)
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      Radiowalla, wader

      TTFN for drama implies there is undue drama here. Fixing said drama is almost impossible without performing a major revamp of the rating system. Making said drama less visible to a cursory inspection is easy.

      The proper way to fix the moderation system is by minimizing the number of people who can moderate on a given day by selecting randomly from a pool of eligible moderators, but letting everyone meta-moderate, i.e. agree or disagree with the moderation and disabling moderation privileges for those who are consistently down modded in meta-moderation. See slashdot.org, the oldest moderated site on the Internet, for an example.

      But don't expect that to happen here. This is not a community site, it is one man's blog, and we're all simply guests. Slashdot used to be that way, in the very beginning, but Rob Malda allowed his baby to fly free (eventually, and with caveats, there are a few people who will simply never be allowed to moderate because they pissed off Rob somehow.)

      •  Not a community site? (2+ / 0-)
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        Dave in Northridge, Avila

        I beg to differ. It's "one man's blog" that has become a community site, of which we are indeed guests. You can be a guest and a participant in a community concurrently.

        Moderation is as easy as not replying to an upsetting comment, but many people, myself included, find that difficult to do.

        A lot of times disputes are based on perceptions of hypocritical behavior which in turn then gets called-out, and things escalate from there. And yes, that hypocritical call-out cycle is often based on previous ratings.

        Still, the rating system is something worth keeping, flaws and all. And revamping it as you suggest is probably not an easy task, especially for a site that has had much, if not all, of its history based upon such a system.




        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 04:16:20 PM PST

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        •  It's a community site, up to a point (1+ / 0-)
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          Free Jazz at High Noon

          And that point is named "Kos." Basically, Kos lets us pretend this is a community site until something pisses him off, and then it is an autocratic, one man's blog type of site.

          Slashdot.org revamped it's moderation several times based on user feedback, and as a result, it has survived for over a decade with fewer rage-quits by members than this place. It certainly helps that the Slashdot codebase is open source. And, as the owner of the place came from an open source background, I imagine it was easier for Rob to let go of autocratic control than it would be for Kos to do so.

          •  I get that (4+ / 0-)

            But this site is still here, too. I'm not saying that there's no room for improvement in how things are handled here, just that it's a different approach. Kos doesn't seem to be entirely dismissive of site feedback, he just puts more weight on his personal vision for the site, which, of course, is his right.

            In the time that I've been here, which isn't that long comparatively, he seems cautious to embrace some change, while eager to embrace others. It seems in either case any decision he ends-up making inevitably gets met with some resistance. It's impossible for him to satisfy 100% of Daily Kos's user base.




            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
            ~ Jerry Garcia

            by DeadHead on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 05:03:08 PM PST

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    •  Because they're about creating drama. (2+ / 0-)
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      lineatus, LaEscapee

      They're not about issues but about people wanting attention. Because given the chance we've had the same person GBCWing here three times in one week before.

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