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  •  That's Why They're Talking Electoral College (15+ / 0-)

    reform.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 04:08:27 PM PST

    •  "Reform," (3+ / 0-)
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      not reform.  Gotta use quote marks, because their "reform" is actually highway robbery.

      The most violent element in society is ignorance.

      by Mr MadAsHell on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:21:42 AM PST

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      •  In this era (1+ / 0-)
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        the era of the hegemony of Reaganism-Thatcherism, pretty much all reform is "reform" as you designate it.  You have to search mighty far and wide for any that isn't "market-oriented" or whatever the euphemism of the month is.  This is true not just in the US, but on something very much like a global(-ized) basis.

        Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

        by ActivistGuy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:43:49 AM PST

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    •  Making immigration reform a scam. (2+ / 0-)
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      Under the Electoral College reforms that are being proposed, the votes in more densely populated areas will count less than those cast outside of major cities and towns.  Minorities and immigrants tend to live in urban areas more than out in rural areas.

      The Republicans really are looking at every possible option to avoid having to accept the mosaic that is America.  They want to cherry-pick the tiles they like and chip away those that they do not.

      •  sorry (1+ / 0-)
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        but this already is the case.  Take california and montana for example.  California may have more electoral votes, but montana has 3.  if you divid california's by it's population, and montana's by its population, you will see that a vote in montana is worth 8 votes in california, even with electoral college.  The only way to make this fair is to either to to a national vote, or to increase the number of electoral votes to properly represent the people.

        95% of all life forms that once existed on earth are now extinct. It is only a matter of time until the Republicans follow suit.

        by PRRedlin on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:44:02 AM PST

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        •  That was by design to give states more (1+ / 0-)
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          equality regardless of their size - and the votes are apportioned on the basis of population counts - maybe not as well as they should be, but they are - and you have both the House and the Senate to create more balance of representation.

          The proposals for splitting the EVs within states would do the opposite by creating significant disparity within the states - and there is no check and balance intrastate to offset that political disparity.

          Whether or not you like the Electoral College right now, you will certainly dislike the Republican's proposed function of that body much, much more.

          And the big picture here is that the Republicans are working on every possible front they can think of to rig our system so as to discount voters they don't like and promote voters that they do.

          •  oh i agree (0+ / 0-)

            and it is a throwback to the "states" era.  Which is why I would like to see a national vote rather than electoral college.  

            I'm from PA, a state that mulled over changing the electoral college voting rules in this past election, and, may do the same after the 2014 elections (if tom corbett wins reelection).

            95% of all life forms that once existed on earth are now extinct. It is only a matter of time until the Republicans follow suit.

            by PRRedlin on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:05:51 AM PST

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            •  Your state would be one of the most (0+ / 0-)

              dramatic examples of how screwed voters could be by the proposal.

              I'm not saying that advocating for the National Popular Vote is something you should set aside, but in the face of this attack, I'd be really careful not to give false equivalency to the lie that the Electoral College is just as bad either way - and also prioritize the issues - one is an imminent threat - specifically the EV rigging propositions that are emerging now - whereas changing a Constitutionally established body is a long-term proposition.

              Because the Democrats have done such a terrible job at keeping a reasonable presence in state politics across this country - and because the DNC stupidly shutdown the 50-State Strategy (IMO) - the National Popular Vote has zero chance of getting anywhere right now - and the voter suppression tactics are being enacted widely and freely.  That's the ugly reality we face right now.

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