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  •  I'm going to disagree (6+ / 0-)

    Learning to just say "OK, you're a dick" and walk away is one of the hardest lessons one can ever learn -- particularly when you've been directly insulted and your feelings are hurt -- but it's essential here.  (And if you think that's meaningless pablum from me, I had to do exactly that this morning.  It wasn't pleasant, but it was still the right thing to do.)

    •  It really depends (1+ / 0-)
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      From what I'm reading, packs of ideologues are roaming the threads manipulating the system to suppress their perceived opponents. Enough people are leaving to make the owner outlaw mentioning it. This is a problem that can't be solved by laissez-faire or fear of God. Both are damaging the community.

      •  You're right about that (1+ / 0-)
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        But there's a secondary system in place -- Kos doesn't like it, but when a gang is pounding on you, you can appeal to the admins.

        It's just that you need to be able to say "And look, I've walked about from dick-being contests in the past, and I haven't been a provocateur."  That's the reward for good behavior -- you preserve your ability to seek aid when needed.

        •  it's pretty hard to prove anything. (1+ / 0-)
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          Near as I can tell, unless the bojo appears on you, you have nothing to appeal.

          I also agree there are "packs of ideologues" and it's not like they're not identifiable. I lurked here for a long time before I ever posted. I know who they are and so do you, and so does anyone who is paying the least bit of attention.

          And they know who they are, too. But they don't give a damn if you or I know, or if we report them, or if we stick around or not. In fact, they'd prefer that you left for good, whether you announce it or not. I don't give two shits or a damn who they think they are. They aren't all that. If they were, they wouldn't put their whole reason for existing into a friggin' website/blog, regardless of the stated mission of same.

          When I tangle up with them--and I have--I count to ten before I post. Damn if they're gonna trip me up and get me ban-hammered. That's--yeah--another way of stopping discussion. Fuck that. There are plenty of ways to say something.

          That being said, I'm glad to see Kos clarify the TTFN thing, it was getting out of hand. TOTAL waste of Rec List space, especially the Scolding Posters. Yawn.

          It is time to #Occupy Media.

          by lunachickie on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:20:54 PM PST

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      •  That's the story, but I don't buy into packs (0+ / 0-)

        as being a big issue, overall.  Some people align with each other and become familiar with their complementary arguments - I have no problem with that.

        Some people see an opposing force to their own and get rather upset about their existence on the site, perhaps.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:46:20 PM PST

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    •  I find it too easy to utilize, as in (1+ / 0-)
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      too easy to use instead of actually digging into a debate.

      I back out only after going in, sincerely, until no hope arrives, the other side has (or, I have) been told and/or things become too redundant.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 07:44:37 PM PST

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