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  •  so true (5+ / 0-)

    but the one thing to remember about Germany is that it didn't happen overnight. You could say that it took 30 years from when the Green Party first got elected to the Bundestag and a lot of citizen activism until the ideas became mainstream enough for the conservatives to embrace them. But that's exactly what we need to do in this country, keep pushing and building the movement until it becomes totally radical not to jump on the bandwagon.

    So while the top down WW2 example in John's diary is one example of mobilizing a country, I do think he bottom up movement is more likely what's going to happen here and what has a chance of succeeding. We'll just make them do it!

    Can't make it to Washington D.C. on 2/17? Check for a Forward on Climate Solidarity Rally near you!

    by citisven on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:51:20 AM PST

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    •  Top down, bottom up or sideways I don't (8+ / 0-)

      care how it happens as long as it does as it has in Germany.  The point of this diary is that if and when we as a collective people make up our minds to do something we can accomplish miracles on short order.  To all those out there that think the fight for climate sanity is lost, that there is no reason to try, our WWII experience should remind us that it is not.  

      If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

      by John Crapper on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:59:18 AM PST

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    •  this is important to remember. (4+ / 0-)
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      When I was young, we marched against places like Grohnde, or Gorleben, or Wackersdorf or Brokdorf. Those names signify nuclear power plants (that was what it was about in the 1970s). As citisven says, looking back, that is where the Energiewende began. Why were we successful? Because we, as amovement, did not shy away from violence. While we were never a violent movement, we made a stand when the state commited violence upon us, and we forced the state to do so to protect the traditional owner´s interests at all those sites. We would have dismantled those sites if there had been no police standing in front of us. I realize that conditions in the US are vastly different and that what led to a government changing its stance in our case, could easily lead to a bloodbath in another case. Politics is risk taking. "Make them do it" has to imply the willingess to suffer pain, and to inflict pain, and the actual execution of it. Otherwise nothing will happen.  

       

      •  While I was stationed in Vietnam I became an (6+ / 0-)

        active member of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.  It was risky to be in theatre and publicly against the war.  I had a colonel pull his 45 on me in front of witnesses threatening to kill me because I caused an investigation be conducted on our unit.  He was later relieved of command.  

        When I protested against the war upon my return I remember guns sticking out of helicopters watching our every move as we captured and secured the observation deck of city hall in protest of the war.  

        Effective protest action involves risk!  The powerful don't relinquish their control easily.

        If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

        by John Crapper on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 02:59:47 PM PST

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