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  •  I don't want 50 swing states (0+ / 0-)

    Can you imagine all the cheating and election-rigging that would go on nationwide?  It wouldn't have to be a conspiracy either since everyone would know how much each vote counts, and so would act on their own.

    I don't like the EC, but mostly what I can't stand is the election system that is so open to abuse at state and local levels.  What the EC currently does is make most of the potential abuse impotent, and so people don't bother.  Make every vote matter and you will see cheating and rigging become rampant.  It will happen on both sides, but we don't even have to guess which side will do it a lot more--we know.

    So until the US gets an election system run primarily by the federal government I am very wary about any changes to the election system.

    •  You're still missing the math. (4+ / 0-)
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      What the EC currently does is make most of the potential abuse impotent, and so people don't bother.  Make every vote matter and you will see cheating and rigging become rampant.
      Wrong. A national popular vote would make any local or state-level cheating less likely to swing the election results, thus less likely to happen.

      Under the EC, you "only" have to swing enough city or county or state votes to tip the balance in one state (with enough EVs) to tip the entire election. Under an NPV, you'd have to rig more votes than the national popular vote margin.

      Again, look at the 2000 election for a fairly clear illustration of why the EC is more vulnerable to rigging than a national popular vote would be.

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:33:14 AM PST

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      •  I think you both are missing each other's points (9+ / 0-)

        It astounds me that this country that supposedly believes so much in democracy would allow gerrymandering, manipulation of the sizes of polling places, and unreasonable voter ID laws to suppress the vote.

        1. No American who believes in democracy should vote Republican because of this single issue.  Republicans are acting very un-American and should be punished for it.

        2. We need a law governing uniform, fair and free elections.  The judicial system is the closest thing we have to impartial adjudicators.

        And 3.  I don't trust Republicans when they say they won't implement splitting electoral college votes based on Congressional districts.  I expect a flurry of such laws sometime in 2016, before the election.

        Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

        by Helpless on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:21:46 AM PST

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        •  Unfortunately, this is American. (5+ / 0-)

          Even here on DailyKos, there are Kossacks who will say we should keep the Electoral College so "small states" will not lose their voice. The GOP is simply proposing to do essentially the same thing within each state.

          Know where the word "gerrymander" comes from? From Elbridge Gerry, governor of Massachusetts in the early 1800s, and his redistricting plan. Gerry later became Vice Prez of the USA. http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          The USA has a long, shameful tradition of subverting democracy by race, class, party, ethnicity, ability or willingness to pay bribes (illegal, or legal "campaign contributions"). This is just the latest chapter.

          Fortunately, as Pres. Obama periodically reminds us, we also have a tradition of ever working towards "a more perfect Union." May we do our bit to advance that work!

          "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

          by HeyMikey on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:15:12 PM PST

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          •  Sorry, Mikey ... (2+ / 0-)
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            ... but the Rethugs are NOT planning to make this change in EVERY state.  Texas, and other states that RMoney won handily, would stay as "winner take all".  This is one reason why their plan smells so freakishly dishonest.

            OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

            by mstaggerlee on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:24:50 PM PST

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            •  I know. Freakishly dishonest is American. NT (0+ / 0-)

              "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

              by HeyMikey on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 03:14:15 PM PST

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