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  •  What will it say about the rest of us, (18+ / 0-)

    if we don't move heaven and earth to put in place gun control reforms necessary to prevent this kind of tragedy from happening again.

    My heart aches.

    •  We desperately need to reforms to prevent this (0+ / 0-)

      type of tragedy from happening but the answer is not gun control, or any other criminal legislative reform because you can't make a law that will prevent these types of atrocities.  It is already against the law to commit mass murder and that law already carries the harshest of punishments: death.  There is no law, no prohibition, no limitation that you can possibly come up with that will stop these deranged individuals.

      We need a reformation of the society that creates them, not an outlaw of their tool du jour, for which there are an infinite number of substitutes, many of which have already been used throughout history to commit mass murder.

      We need a reformation on the attitudes and social problems that are truly at the root cause.  Only then will we begin to solve and prevent these types of problems.

      •  Facepalm (2+ / 0-)
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        edwardssl, lyvwyr101

        So, you're saying we should use this Sandy Hook thing as a catalyst to fix every other thing wrong in our country so we don't have to deal with the gun issue. And you know what? I would like everything wrong in our country fixed too. I would also like a rainbow unicorn. Unfortunately, I live in the real world where things are imperfect. All we can do is approach perfection. Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.


        i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

        by bobinson on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 12:19:17 PM PST

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        •  No, that is not what I said. It would appear to (0+ / 0-)

          be what you would like for me to have said.  

          I said that the answer isn't a gun ban and that there is no new law to fix the societal problems that cause mass murder.  

      •  How do you think these officers feel about the (5+ / 0-)

        ... weapon used in this particular shooting?

        •  Been reading down the thread (0+ / 0-)

          and apart from my genuine concern about some of the utterly tone deaf comments, I was wondering if anyone had answered this question yet.

          It does seem pertinent.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          Who is twigg?

          by twigg on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:38:09 PM PST

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      •  The rest of the civilized world (2+ / 0-)
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        earicicle, lyvwyr101

        have the same attitudes and social problems we have.

        So, what do we have, that they don't.

      •  Also, just to be clear (2+ / 0-)
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        BlueStateRedhead, lyvwyr101

        I'm not against individual gun ownership.  I'd done target practice myself many moons ago in the cornfields of Iowa.

        But we can use some basic common sense when it comes to gun regulation.

        There's an entire world out there we can draw on to figure out which regulations have worked, and which haven't.

        •  Yeah, well then why the hell is everyone pushing (0+ / 0-)

          for the one that was tried for a decade and didn't do a damn bit of good.  The only real answer that I can see is a desire for retribution extracted from people who have committed no crime.  This is a losing proposition.

          •  "Retribution?" (2+ / 0-)
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            edwardssl, lyvwyr101

            Sounds like a persecution complex.

            Simple question: How do you think these officers feel about the weapon used in these killings?

            •  Seeing as though the AR15 is one of the most (0+ / 0-)

              commonly possessed weapons by police why don't we ask them?

              The tactic of making the issue about the gun instead of the person, which is typical of many of the gun-o-phobes is misguided.  

              •  It's both, isn't it? (3+ / 0-)
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                edwardssl, DeadHead, lyvwyr101

                I am sure the police were wondering the same thing we all were wondering.

                "What kind of human being could slaughter children?"

                At the same time, I would say they were wondering, "Why dis this person have this type of powerful weapon?"

                Sure, the police may have these weapons. I am around police officers five days a week. I can tell you that very, very few of them are in favor of these weapons being sold to the public.

                And I would wager that these officers feel that way as well.

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