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  •  I am too (5+ / 0-)
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    karmsy, shoeless, Icicle68, slothlax, wlkx

    However I'm worried that we are not looking at addressing the root causes of why we have so many undocumented workers and are only preposing measures that will temporarily improve things for the current crop of workers and then we will be in the same situation as we are now with a new group of undocumented workers.  In 1986 we granted amnest and in less then five years people were already grumbling about illegal immigrants again.

    As long as there are people making their way to America willing to work for a pittance in unsafe conditions we will always have a problem with new workers undercutting the livelihood of documented workers. There can be no solution until the all of the nations of the Americas grow ther economy's large enough to provide living wages for their citizens. Instead we continue to encourage policies and trade agreements that guarantee amoral American businesses access to a never ending pool of desperate workers.

    •  Outsource more jobs to Mexico (1+ / 0-)
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      Jay C

      So Mexicans have more incentive to stay home?

      •  Huh? (1+ / 0-)
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        dfe

        The commenter is on to global economic realities that have been largely missing from the immigration debate. It's like we're not allowed to discuss them seriously.

        Your comment is obnoxiously flippant, or that's the way I read it.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:07:21 AM PST

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      •  No, stop beating the South and Central American (4+ / 0-)

        economy into the dirt so they can grow their own jobs.
        Cafta dumps our goods onto their markets and wipes out their domestic production, particularly their farmers. They have the lovely choice of starving or leaving.
        And of course, our war on drugs has made staying not only difficult but also dangerous.
        So it's not just the domestic business climate here, it's also the effects of our political policies.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:11:41 AM PST

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    •  This is the brillliant comment. (1+ / 0-)
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      This is probably at the back of a lot of peoples' minds, but in a Democratic forum, you just came right out and said it.

      Thanks.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:03:48 AM PST

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    •  While your policy ideas are sound... (0+ / 0-)

      On their own merits, I don't see how it's related to the problem.  

      The problem, as you correctly identify it, is that people are being exploited in America for cheap labor.  Your solution is to raise up the economy of every other country in our hemisphere, so that poor people from those countries will no longer see it as favorable to come here for work.  I think the easier and cheaper solution would be to enforce and improve our current minimum wage laws.  

      Enforce minimum wage laws in the country's chicken processing plants, farms, etc.   Make the laws more hospitable to labor unions.  If they can't attract people at the minimum wage, they'll have to offer higher wages.

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