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  •  Well, you certainly have a point. And mostly the (10+ / 0-)

    stronger arguments do prevail. But usually only after at least some degree of mischief has been created. And then when the dust settles from one right wing BS trick, there they are again, already to go with a new one. And on and on.

    Case in point - "Oh look at all of the voter fraud that will be ended if we make elderly black voters produce documents that many of them will never be able to obtain". I wouldn't call that one a failure, even though it should have been a 100% non-starter.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 12:31:56 PM PST

    •  There have also been good political arguments (9+ / 0-)

      why this won't happen.  Not the least of which is that Congressional races in reddish districts will become nationalized.  We'll win the urban districts without a single GOTV call; we could flood all our resources into the suburbs and maybe get the House back as well.  

      •  Part of me wants to see this happen (2+ / 0-)
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        for that very reason.

      •  Excellent point! (1+ / 0-)
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        Right now, lots of energy goes into GOTV in cities so that  those votes will outweigh suburban and rural Republican votes.  The process would be reversed, and as you say it might turn some suburban districts blue...

      •  I've seen this ploy as petard from the start (0+ / 0-)

        The GOP thinks they have found the first free lunch in history. Gobble-gobble.

      •  Would you address the point I raised above (0+ / 0-)

        Such that a legislature may be able to achieve a similar goal in some states (but not others) by use of formula, as with delegate selection in the 2008 Democratic primaries?

        For example a state with three electoral votes could decree that, perhaps after screening out  votes below a certain threshold, anyone getting 60% of the vote would receive all three electoral votes and that anyone receiving 33.3% of the vote would receive at least 1 EV (with other rules to address all eventualities.)  The same could go for every state up to California's 55 EVs.

        The issue at that point becomes: are individual voters harmed, in a way cognizable under the equal protection clause, by the decisions in other states to enact, or not to enact, such laws?  My fear is that such a system might not run afoul of the "making red districts more competitive" problem that you identify; one could look at those 2008 primaries for a good example of what districts (not states in that case) do and don't become competitive.

        The best thing we have going for us, in that case, is the recent behavior of Reince Priebus, which may suffice to show malignant intent.

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        by Seneca Doane on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:24:08 PM PST

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      •  You could do all the GOTV you want in parts of PA (0+ / 0-)

        and it wouldn't turn our red districts blue -- there are just too many Republicans in those districts. The state legislature is always Republican controlled with occasional wins for a democratic governor only because it's a state-wide contest.

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