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View Diary: Stop saying Republican electoral-vote rigging is constitutional. It's not. Here's why. (193 comments)

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  •  There's no other democracy on the planet..... (12+ / 0-)

    ....that would have something as ridiculous as the EC in the 21st century.  It absolutely serves no purpose in the modern world.

    •  Uhm, you've never heard of the House of Lords? (2+ / 0-)
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      Seneca Doane, Shockwave

      Some members are there because of what their ancestors did centuries ago.
      Some members are there because they are bishops, of one particular church.
      Most members are appointed for life by the government with no popular vote.
      Only about half of them show up on any given day.

      The difference of course is that the Brits have been working on making the House of Lords less ridiculous for at least half a century. The US and the electoral college, not so much.

      Repeal the 2nd amendment.

      by Calouste on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:52:07 PM PST

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    •  Actually, it does compartmentalize fraud by (2+ / 0-)
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      Shockwave, Sparhawk

      States.  Could you image Fa2000 but on a nat'l scale?  If a recount were done in 1 state, the temptation would be irresistable to find others to challenge bc changing popular votes anywhere could tip the election.

      Now, whether that is sufficient against the farce it occassionally makes of US 'democracy' is a different question...

      •  Wouldn't the opposite be true? (2+ / 0-)
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        Shockwave, caryltoo

        For example, Bush won in 2000 by contesting a ~500-vote margin in Florida. Nationally, he'd have had to overcome a 500,000 vote deficit. Tough to do with a small number of recount/challenges.

        •  True but it expands the 'playing feild' if u have (0+ / 0-)

          the $.  Just look for claims of voter fraud everywhere and contest everywhere.  Thugs have 1/2 of their rubes thinking BO stole an election he won by almost 5 m votes.  U don't think they could gin up 'bagger 'riots' claiming the next stole his 1/2 m win?

          Also, think of what kind of recount a nat'l pop. vote would entail.  Do we do auto recounts if the margin is less than 1/2%?  That means 2000 would have been an auto national recount.  What kind of opportunities for mischeif would that create?  Flip 50k votes 5 states and you change the winner (since its a net change of 100K per state).

          And on the NPV compact: would all the signatories abide by it if the party who won their state was also the party in change in the state but not the won who won the p/v... if the election were that close and their party (i.e., Faux/Limbaugh) was screaming 'fraud!'  I have my doubts.

          I think the moral of that anyway is: if we federalize the election (which is what a nat'l popular vote is) then we federalize everything about the election, from registration to ballot form to machine type, locations, #s etc., all the way to recounts and who does it and who selects them.

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