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  •  It wouldn't be my first choice (9+ / 0-)

    But if someone spouts a ridiculous idea, I think it's fair to call it such without being called a bully - intellectual or otherwise.  We should all be mature enough to handle having an idea shot down, however gently or brutally.

    Of course, the problem comes where people can't discern from an attack on their idea from an attack on them personally, or when the attack is, in fact, on them personally.  Things usually go downhill from there, but as our parents taught it, "it takes two to tango" and it's usually best to simply bow out at that point.

    •  it is fair to call an IDEA "ridiculous" - but it (8+ / 0-)

      is more effective to explain WHY it is ridiculous!

      that is debating, is it not?

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:15:42 PM PST

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    •  And mix in a perceived personal attack on a (6+ / 0-)

      politician, which is really where a lot of the trouble occurs.

      Of course, the problem comes where people can't discern from an attack on their idea from an attack on them personally, or when the attack is, in fact, on them personally.
      •  You said a mouthful. (5+ / 0-)
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        Darmok, Onomastic, kalmoth, zooecium, SoCalSal

        On the rox/sux spectrum I usually lean towards the former, though not, I like think, blindly or unconditionally.  Yet I find it very difficult not to let it chap my hide it when what I perceive as the mildest of tempered and conditional praise on my part elicits a response of vociferous condemnation from others.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 03:51:02 PM PST

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    •  "fuck you , idiot" ..''now let's discuss (2+ / 0-)
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      how and maybe why you are an idiot and we can can begin by agreeing you are an idiot.''

      see, it depends on if you are trying to hurt the person, make them  swear and lose their temper first, or other wise cause them to soil themselves.

      I just don't think that dkos is the place to practice and condone those techniques, and even doubt whether they are effective in a wider forum, say yahoo or NYT comments.
        And definitely not recommended in a bar next to the shooting range.

      Maybe we need an 'Arguing Relentlessly and Impolitely Group'?

      The Abuse Group meets every tuesday 4am,  providing real world debating practice in a safe setting.

      I believe the longer term best bet is to coopt opponents with humanity in all it's better manifestations. But that's a lot of work innit?

      I think I am responding specifically to

      Great debaters should feel free to use any means at their disposal.  And, if someone can't handle having their position picked apart, they don't belong in the debate in the first place
      And, nothing personal about you Darmok, heh, but I feel I actually need to say here that I am not really saying 'fuck you' and 'you're an idiot' to you Darmok, because basically you are not AND you are  a long time dkos member and I don't really need to parse that any finer. (aka 'is this bugging you, I'm not touching you' :>)
          And I also had to add the disclaimer so the dang Courtesy Kos people don't start hitting me. They are everywhere.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 04:53:44 PM PST

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