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  •  Well, to be fair (6+ / 0-)

    Markos did specifically exempt those explaining real life circumstances that require a break. Users like me who have few followers aren't likely to be missed, so when break time comes I generally just take a break.

    It's the drama he's trying to diminish - people who get into fights repeatedly by going in to diaries they know very well they can manipulate by pushing buttons they know very well they're pushing, who in the end feel the need to enlist everybody in a GBCW or TTFN Super-Meta flame-fest. "Last word" played large.

    I mean, let's face it... it simply isn't that hard to NOT click into diaries you know will be expressing positions you won't like. The most difficult issue since DK4 that I've noticed is the groups function, where members who all feel pretty much the same about an issue publish and comment. Kos told us we could 'police' group diaries, then started swinging the hammer when that actually took place against die-hard "issue-trolls" who go into group diaries just to cause trouble. Because the banhammer is an indiscriminate weapon, groups can be leveled by its intervention. That doesn't work out well for anybody.

    •  This new rule won't work thought (10+ / 0-)

      People will still write the same exact diaries with the same exact content simply without saying they're going anywhere, I think.

      "Dramatic" diaries will continue. Many make fine points in them as well. But if the point is to smite meta-expressions of bad feelings toward this site, this will not be a successful way to do that.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:06:53 PM PST

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      •  They won't get as much action. (6+ / 0-)

        People are much more likely to enter a 'goodbye' diary than a 'i'm still here, and here's my ongoing drama' diary.  Whether GBCW or TTFN, the title draws extra eyes that otherwise wouldn't bother.

      •  Heh. Well, drama queens do (5+ / 0-)

        like drama, will no doubt find ways to make others play their game. That's not much different from grade school, some people just never manage to mature beyond it.

        And you know I'm saying that as someone who has drawn her share of "issue-trolls" by covering a particular subject [nuclear power] that is pretty much designed to draw "issue-trolls." Why, some of them might even be paid to play! Eventually I had to find an outlet that is not a discussion-based blog but a special interest site. Issue-trolls still follow, they just don't get to disrupt the site or its purpose with their trolling.

        I mean, what's the point of bothering with trying to promote awareness - or actual knowledge - about an issue when an unapologetically self-identified troll can write that I am a "senile fucking c*nt" and I get bojo'd for complaining? It's entirely possible that the 'community' functions here are designed to foment a type of group-think with only mild dissent - it is a partisan website, after all. Perhaps there are issues with political impacts that simply are not proper fodder here because they are too divisive. Or too targeted by dedicated interests (like, say, the nuclear industry. Or the gun industry). There are or should be other outlets better suited.

        It's the large and relatively 'important' audience here at DKos that makes this forum more desirable for making certain kinds of points. Or, that's what many of us believe, so we keep trying. At the same time, it's those very same factors that make this forum an 'important' place for PR operatives and/or issue-trolls to log their counter-points. And it's also the reason drama queens, wannabe gang capos and hard-working mind-manipulators so often succeed in creating so much meta-drama. The nature of the beast.

      •  The flounce is a critical part of the drama (5+ / 0-)

        creation, though. It makes people beg them not to go, tell them how great they are, and go attack those meanies who are driving their friend away. Without the flounce, that threat of loss is gone, and people don't react as strongly. The otherwise same diary gets a more measured reaction.

      •  But the difference is going or not going (0+ / 0-)

        I think that Kos's point--or one of them--is that if someone announces that he or she is leaving, right now, and leaving for good, shaking the dust of this blog off his or her feet, then Kos interprets that as a permanent departure and closes the account.

        That's done whether the person puts GBCW or TTFN in the title and/or tags.

        A person who announces he or she won't be around for a while ("for now") for whatever reason in his or her personal life, isn't leaving for good and the account isn't shut down.

        A person who just writes a very dramatic diary without departing won't have his or her account shut down.

    •  This: (10+ / 0-)
      it simply isn't that hard to NOT click into diaries you know will be expressing positions you won't like.
      Exactly. Personally, I'm able to do that just fine. Most of the time.

      When I give in to the temptation, I accept the fact that, well, I'm asking for a situation which will be much more difficult to resist -- responding to comments that are provocative.

      Once you step into the arena, there are no guarantees. What happens from that point on is up to the person choosing to enter the discussion...it may get nasty.

      For a passionate gun control advocate to waltz into an RBKA diary with the intent of trying to convince someone is asking for trouble. Likewise, for passionate pro-gun people to go into a diary about gun control will likely result in a messy situation.

      In both situations, the mere presence of the arriving party will likely be viewed as antagonistic by some. Neither side is likely to be swayed, and it's the fight itself that might be the intent. No one should be under any illusions that the successful persuasion of a Daily Kos adversary will result in policy change nationwide.

      Solution: do not respond.

      When someone figures out the easy way to take this advice, please let me know... I'm guilty of doing it myself, but it's something I'm working to improve.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 01:29:49 PM PST

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      •  Exactly. (4+ / 0-)
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        "Solution: do not respond."

        It's hard to believe that we're having to have this discussion with a bunch of people who I would assume are internet savvy. Yes, there are mean people on the interwebs.

        I like to hide mine in the crack of a turkey.

        by DoobyOne on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:14:14 PM PST

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        •  It is rather interesting (4+ / 0-)
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          I mean, there are plenty of comments that really piss me off. At an earlier point in my internet experience, I've reacted with shock and disbelief after being attacked viciously for no apparent reason. I'm a sensitive person, and it's hard not to take personally a comment you know is being typed by an actual person somewhere.

          In the same way we strive to be more sensitive to others -- by realizing there's a person with feelings on the other end of a comment thread -- we find ourselves vulnerable when on the receiving end.

          To be able to toughen ourselves up in defense while softening ourselves on the offense is for me an ongoing process.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 02:44:56 PM PST

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    •  Hmm. That is an inconsistency, true. (2+ / 0-)
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      wonder if Markos has thought of it that way.

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 03:42:58 PM PST

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