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  •  The rate of change (18+ / 0-)

    suggests exactly what many folks here at dk have argued for years, that legislative and even electoral chanage comes AFTER established movements and social changes occur.

    Ten years ago "the haters" as Kos calls them, could throw up obstacles to the force of social change with lots of money and a media infrastructure.  Look at how Prop 8 passed: the same model the GOP used for election 2012 big money from big donors wanting to astroturf an issue working in concert with a big-right wing media/pr infrastructure.  But at best, all they could do was stem the tide of social change.

    Working to change the cultural norms, or to push and advocate in favor of laws that already reflect the social reality is, in the long term, is the effective midwifery for social change.  (And organizing like hell in a way that isn't astroturf).

    Also a good example of why the right wing has always been a party of cultural warriors: day-to-day media and social media that reveals the "normalness" of progressive social and civil rights is an incredibly powerful tool.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 10:11:08 AM PST

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    •  legislation tends to follow social trends (13+ / 0-)

      Just from personal experience, the VN War was fine until the citizens turned out in the streets to protest.  The same for Civil Rights and any other social change.  The problem with Conservatives opposing social change is that the Good Old Days they advocate for never really existed and to the extent they did exist, existed only because of change initiated by Progressives

      •  Actually, they need to and do go hand in hand. (1+ / 0-)
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        It has to begin with the social movement, but once that's begun legislation needs to be created to both move it forward rapidly and establish legal support for the social movement.  Had the politics lagged too far behind, this same change would have happened, but not as quickly.  Providing legal rights to same sex couples in some states and people realizing the world didn't end is what I think made this movement happen so quickly.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:09:20 AM PST

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    •  Great post (1+ / 0-)
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      Perhaps applicable to other areas of the culture.

      I have no idea how to go about it, but a defeat of the gun culture would go a long way toward the legislative embrace of gun control.

      Defeat of the idea of torture as a legitimate tool for the police and military should be another target for cultural change, especially since the "torture works" meme is driven largely fictional portrayals in mass media.

      Lots of areas we can move forward on without the politicians.  Let them follow us.

      Tell me what to write. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

      by rbird on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:07:15 AM PST

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