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  •  rimjob I love you but I have to call bullshit (8+ / 0-)

    on that.

    The major theme/lesson of Batman isn't a story about overcoming one's fear, or of the distinction between vengeance and justice, it's a meditation on the nature of violence and the use of force. The lesson is this, IF YOU USE VIOLENCE, FEAR, AND INTIMIDATION AS A MEANS TO AN END, YOU QUICKLY LEARN THAT THERE'S NO END IN SIGHT."
    That's a nice liberal take on what's going on in the Batman series, but it's just a liberal reinterpretation.  The Schumacher series is friendly to that in that it gives people uncomfortable with the Frank Miller Batman a way to make right what they're watching.  But it's still a right wing romance.  And right wing romance is a whole genre.  It's hard to describe it concisely, I suppose.  I describe it as right wing not because of any politics it directly promotes but because of the the style.

    The most striking lesson I take from the Batman series isn't any lesson about how violence backfires.  It's a lesson in metaphysics.  It's a world of evil lunacy covered with a thin veneer of civilization that is too weak to protect itself.  That is why (in this metaphysics) a strong man is necessary who can bend the rules and fight fire with fire, if necessary.  The romanticism comes in the angsty conflict over whether the strong man can fight evil this way and keep his soul.  

    Seen this way, Batman is a good terrorist fighting the bad terrorists.  He gratifies our own urge to be terrorists as well

    Dick Cheney would LOVE Batman.

    Meet the Press, 9/16/01:

    We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will. We’ve got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we’re going to be successful. That’s the world these folks operate in, and so it’s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective. (Emphasis in original.)
    Frank Miller and Schumacher channeled a sentiment that was already existent.  I don't think Cheney was inspired by comic books.  This is a common sentiment.  In Batman, it was expressed, however, in a more mythical way.

    So, any lessons about violence begetting more violence is just gravy and irrelevant and even counter to the real thrust of the world described in Batman, because in Gotham City, violence and anarchy are TRUTH and the so-called real world is fake.

    •  I get sucked in by these kind of stories (5+ / 0-)
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      It's a world of evil lunacy covered with a thin veneer of civilization that is too weak to protect itself.  That is why (in this metaphysics) a strong man is necessary who can bend the rules and fight fire with fire, if necessary.  The romanticism comes in the angsty conflict over whether the strong man can fight evil this way and keep his soul.

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      by cfk on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 07:25:17 PM PST

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