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  •  Even non-capitalist societies have pecking orders (6+ / 0-)

    This is just plain old human. It's up to us to raise succeeding generations as unplain new humans.

    Sigh.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:31:03 PM PST

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    •  I don't think it is part of being human at all (1+ / 0-)
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      What I'm talking about is conditioning.  Not Alpha and omega interactions. They are two different things driven by different factors. The latter is organic while the former is psycho-engineered.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:42:23 PM PST

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      •  Bullying goes MUCH, MUCH deeper. (6+ / 0-)

        I have 6 cats, all littermates. If I had video of the calculated, methodical, relentless bullying campaign the alpha female subjected the smallest female to starting at about 11 months, you would see EVERY bullying strategem employed by pre-pubescent human children at home, on playgrounds, or at school. Before long, the beta female and alpha male joined in. Open the Bullying 101 manual, turn to page 1, and it was all there.

        Having never raised kittens I was totally unprepared for it, and it took me awhile to catch on and begin intervening.

        It's at least part of our mammalian heritage, perhaps antecedes even it.

        YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

        by raincrow on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:30:29 PM PST

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        •  Those are observations. (1+ / 0-)
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          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 07:37:02 PM PST

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          •  What is the functional difference between (2+ / 0-)
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            "hierarchy structure" and "innate social reactions"? Aren't innate social reactions the source of childrens' tendencies to form "hierarchy structure" -- i.e., pecking order? And how does one even think about "innate social reactions" in cats in the way that interactionist sociologists would, since cats don't seem to be easily able to apply "labeling".

            No matter how you slice it or term it, bullying happens in almost all cultures; it appears to take attention, training, and intervention to teach children why they should not do it, and to make it plain that attempts to continue bullying anyway will be met with corrective action. Plenty of individual children get it, but group dynamics is another thing entirely, the motivations and methods change with age, etc. Upshot: this is not a job for Republicans.

            YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

            by raincrow on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:56:31 PM PST

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        •  Multiple cats: soap opera live (2+ / 0-)
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          My experience with cats (some litter mates, some unrelated) included random (at least from the human point of view) hierarchies and ever-changing alliances. The bullies tended to be female and their targets male.

          The cat that was picked on the most was not particularly bright. The smallest female cat gave him a hard time from day one. It got to the point that I took him to work with me for a few days because I was afraid he would get hurt at home. Interestingly, my dog, who tends to be jealous of the cats, gave that particular cat a break.

          261.A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience. -Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

          by MaikeH on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 08:11:48 AM PST

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        •  Really interesting. I grew up (0+ / 0-)

          around cats, but never watched a litter or anything. But I had this weird, dark revelation once that the concept of a "runt" might be nature's way of "teaching" dominance and cruelty.

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