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  •  I believe the intent of stapling a visa to these (1+ / 0-)
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    technical degees has more to do with keeping the intellectual capital of our great universities in this country, so they can innovate and start businesses and create jobs.  Until we can start graduting the appropiate number of engineers and people  with advanced math degree,  this  program  is the best  we  can do.

    •  The U.S. graduates more native (6+ / 0-)

      engineers and people  with advanced math degree than the job market can absorb.

      There is no shortage in these fields.  These US graduates can and do innovate and start businesses and create jobs.

      •  In fact (1+ / 0-)
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        that's probably their best option to advance, since they face stiff competition in getting hired to work for someone else.

        Jus' sayin'.  The oft-touted failure rate of new businesses was investigated by a researcher at my university and found to be something of an urban legend.  It dated to one study performed in the mid-1970's, the country's worst economic period since the Depression until the last couple of years.  The "businesses" counted included a lot of fly-by-night, seat-of-the-pants attempts that were started without business plans or anywhere near adequate capital.  And most people who persevered in business after a failure, would still manage to succeed eventually.  So it's a caution to young people locked out of "jobs" offered by someone else: it's not quite as hard to succeed in business as you're led to believe.  That, too, is a myth used to keep the masses in their place.

    •  Linking immigration to college (1+ / 0-)
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      degrees, will cause crowding out of precious college slots for motivated U.S. students.  Rather than a place of higher learning, Universities will become nothing more than a path to U.S. residency.

      This is not good, when the same degree conveys more benefit to one group over another.

      •  Foreign students are already in the (2+ / 0-)
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        majority in technical fields. They tend to be excellent students, very intelligent and highly motivated. US universities actually enroll the cream of many other countries.

        It is totally foolish to educate them and then kick them out. They should be given green cards so they can stay here and contribute their talents to the US if they choose.

        •  Any proof of this? (0+ / 0-)

          All evidence from government sponsored studies show that there are more STEM college graduates than the job market can absorb.

          What evidence do you have that the majority of STEM bachelor's degrees are foreign students?

          There is a very small job market for advanced degrees in STEM fields.  Why would American students enroll in Masters or PhD STEM programs when very few jobs require Master's or PhDs?

          It is wrong to poach educated citizens from developing countries.  These countries need the U.S. educated citizens to build up the third world.

          •  I'm talking about advanced degrees - (0+ / 0-)

            masters and PhD - which are required for most high-tech jobs. As for bachelors, I don't know.

            Yes, it is true that universities produce more graduates - at all levels - than there are jobs to be filled in this country.

            I'm not arguing that more degrees should be handed out. But when we have educated someone, it is foolish to kick them out and prevent them from contributing their skills and work ethic to our economy, forcing them to instead go home to strengthen lower-cost, lower-wage, environmentally unregulated foreign competitors.

            I don't think most US universities "poach" students from developing countries. They come here because they want to. It is very competitive and only the best can make it. If they meet the qualifications, they should be free to study wherever they want and can afford to go. After they have jumped through all of our hoops to come here and complete their education and become qualified to hold jobs here, it is incredibly rude as well as counterproductive to tell them they aren't good enough to stay.

            Many foreign workers, even permanent residents and naturalized citizens, do choose to return to help build up their native countries. When they go, let them go as  friends, and don't feel they have been given the bum's rush as undesirables. The US needs more friends around the world.

      •  US colleges and universities generate (0+ / 0-)

        a whole shitload of jobs for Americans who educate these foreign students.

        Something that you should like!

        •  Nope. Universities are some of the (1+ / 0-)
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          most prevalent users of h-1B workers, and there is a comment above where PhDs make less than dishwashers.  

          THe universities have become the epicenter of low wage visa jobs.

          •  A few ballpark numbers (1+ / 0-)
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            The number of international students enrolled in U.S. colleges climbed 6% to a record 764,495 last year,

            Let's say it costs these students (conservatively estimated) $30,000 / year - that's $22,934 million (or $23 billion if you prefer) pumped into the US economy.

            at $100K per job - that's 230,000 jobs.  or twice that many if your allegations of university jobs being low paying are true . . ..

            To me, having half a million Americans employed via education foreign students ain't a bad thing.

    •  I already have... (6+ / 0-)

      ...advanced degrees.  But can't get hired because I am not in great health, am older and have more experience so they think I won't work for less even though I will.  I know for a fact that H-1b visa's depress the wages and opportunities of US citizens.

      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

      by delver rootnose on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 02:59:27 AM PST

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