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  •  Yes, FDR knew how to use a crisis (1+ / 0-)
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    Unlike this President. No, that's called having real constraints so I don't howl about it  and yet he still did make some moves on race. Executive Order #8802 and including AA in the WPA. That's not like Obama.

    FDR welcomed Wall St's hatred along with the public's hatred fo Wall St(even with an attempt on his life via the Business Plot) so there was a lot of pressure there not to pass Glass Steagall. FDR had to worry about the SCOTUS which kept striking down parts of the New Deal like the NIRA, but he fought on and threatened to pack the SCOTUS; even though his bill failed it eventually caused the switch in time to save nine and much of the New Deal then became law. There is no comparison with Obama.

    There was similar pressure in 2008 after the crash and all conservative ideology was bankrupt though Obama wouldn't say it like FDR did. There was enough public pressure to elect the first AA POTUS(so so much for that excuse) and to go after Wall St, but instead he kept the pitchforks away from Wall St, hired Tim Geithner, and Larry Summers, liked about campaigning on a public option(at least FDR tried Medicare for All with SS but had to drop it for SS to pass).

    And you glossed over my points about Truman; he didn't need to make deals with the GOP or Dixecrats on what was routine to raise taxes to fund things instead of raising the debt ceiling with Congress; he vetoed Taft Hartley instead of pretending to support the EFCA to combat Taft Hartley. The story about Truman getting everything he wanted with no opposition is fiction; otherwise there would have been the CRA of 1964 much earlier along with his civil rights commission among other tenets of the Fair Deal.

    There were plenty of fights and defeats but at least he fought them instead of putting what was routine on the table which is what I was talking about as already explained clearly; also well documented in this diary.

    I don't negotiate grand bargains with deficit terrorists!

    by priceman on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:44:02 PM PST

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    •  What was glossed overc in your "diary" (0+ / 0-)

      are the significant victories won by Obama despite universal opposition from a GOP playing to it's peckerwood base. Your diary is muddled and shot thru with historical inaccuracies...perhaps you'll do better next time.

      "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

      by durrati on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:59:21 PM PST

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      •  Like putting the full faith and credit of the US.. (1+ / 0-)
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        as something to debate because he wants austerity? 0 Wall St executives prosecuted? that kind of victory? Or is it Dolecare-Romneycare Heritage Foundation-insurance reform? Was it the backroom deals with Big Pharma killing Byron Dorgan reimportation amendment? Or was it how this WH lobbied to kill Brown Kaufman keeping TBTF?

        BTW your history is wrong. Huey Long's filibuster of Glass Steagall banking Act in 1933 to make it stronger with FDIC for 3 weeks was one of the longest filibusters ever so yeah you're the one with muddled history.

        Anyway, my diary is strong which is why you didn't really read but one paragraph and refuted almost nothing. That tells me all I need to know so no need to continue here.

        I don't negotiate grand bargains with deficit terrorists!

        by priceman on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:18:57 PM PST

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        •  Glass Steagall (0+ / 0-)

          was not really a part of the New Deal, it passed before the inauguration, it was included to show the bipartisan nature of the Congress in the 1930s...

          Deals were made before the healthcare bill to keep big pharma money on the sidelines, this is, again, how shit gets done and why reform wasn't rolled like Hillarycare was.

          Adults accept that politics isn't a perfect process and that few Presidents have the advantages and the historic stage FDR had.

          "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

          by durrati on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:36:53 PM PST

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