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  •  It didn't use to be so black and white (8+ / 0-)

    Up to the 1960's, the GOP was the party that spoke for equal rights, for example.  Up to Reagan, they spoke for balancing the budget, or at least for fiscal responsibility.

    By now, there's been a realignment.  Is there anything, any issue, the Republicans are on the right side of?

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:27:42 AM PST

    •  I suppose there is always something to be said... (3+ / 0-)
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      for fiscal restraint, though not for an austerity budget while the wealthy laugh all the way to the bank. I remember the earlier GOP also. They didn't terrify me then for one thing.

    •  wider view than that (5+ / 0-)

      Conservatives opposed the American Revolution
      Conservatives supported slavery
      Conservatives opposed immigration as soon as 1820
      Conservatives fought against the admission of California as a free State
      Conservatives opposed the transcontenental railroad
      Conservatives fought to preserve horse-and-buggy against the Automobile
      Conservatives opposed minimum wage
      Conservatives opposed child work laws
      Conservatives supported Prohibition
      Conservatives opposed Women's Sufferage
      Conservatives opposed the New Deal
      Conservatives opposed Social Security
      Conservatives financed German rearmament
      Conservatives opposed integration
      Conservatives opposed the removal of mandatory prayer in school
      Conservatives opposed the Voting Rights Act
      Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights Movement
      Conservatives oppose same sex marriage.

      Is there anything Conservatives have stood for, looked back 50 years or more on, that was ever right?

      We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

      by ScrewySquirrel on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 02:06:33 PM PST

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      •  Conservative and Republican weren't always same (5+ / 0-)

        Most of the conservatives who supported Slavery were Democrats for one obvious example. I originally was going to go back a hundred years with the Republican Party, but the period between say 1890 and 1915 in particular was murky. There were a lot of cross currents in American politics then.

        Important elements of at least 4 different National Parties at one time or another during that specific era embraced some clearly progressive ideals. That included Republicans as well as Democrats (when Bryant was their candidate at least) along with the Peoples/Populist Party and the Bull Moose/Progressive Party.

        A case can be argued that Conservatives were correct to resist Soviet expansionism after WWII (in the pre-Gorbachev era at least) but they weren't alone in that and their Red Scare was truly toxic to democracy. And they were all too eager to resist militarily when often a conceptual war over ideals was more called for

        I suppose some could argue that Conservatives served an almost organic role in resisting extreme sudden moves toward some progressive social changes enabling the general public to more peacefully adjust to them as the overall culture changed through exposure to new perspectives. I admit this one is somewhat of a stretch and of piecemeal value at best regarding some issues only, but perhaps it contributes to the stability of political system that we usually fight out our differences in non violent political arenas.

        •  Hubert Humphrey gave a speech in 1964 (1+ / 0-)
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          when he was running for vice president with LBJ.  Humphrey said there have been times liberals were right, and times conservatives were right.  Liberals were right when we declared independence from Britain, the conservatives were happy remaining British.  But conservatives were right when they wrote the Constitution, liberals being happy with the Articles of Confederation.  At least that's how I remember Senator Humphrey's speech so long ago.

          "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

          by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:16:22 PM PST

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          •  In my calmer moments I value honest conservatives (2+ / 0-)
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            I sometimes think of social progress as a car going down the highway of history and try to see conservatives as the braking system that keeps us from sliding off of the road when driving conditions prevent full speed ahead. That's my best case scenario for them usually, lol.

            I also share some of the inherent distrust for concentrated unchecked power that conservatives tend to have. As to your memory of what HHH said, it is ironic that todays conservatiives would in mnay ways be happier with the Articles of Confederation - except when they want a strong Commander in Chief to lead us into war.

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