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  •  Oh good, something to disagree with Joan about: (1+ / 0-)
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    But she's only slightly less ridiculous than David Brooks, who's arguing that the GOP needs to split into two parties, so the moderates can do their own thing.
    Nothing, absolutely nothing, would serve the liberal agenda better than having the GOP split into their corporatist and ideologue camps to operate as separate parties.

    Then the blue dog dems would migrate to the moderate GOP and the liberal base of the Democratic Party would finally be loosed from the shackles of the Turd Way and its triangulatory dysfunction.  

    If Frank Church were alive today, Joan, I believe he would be rooting for this upheaval.  Our two party system is fatally flawed.  Something like this is necessary to preserve the republic.

    For what it's worth.

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

    by nailbender on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:15:45 AM PST

    •  Tempting, but I'm not sure. (1+ / 0-)
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      Certainly multi-party parlaimentary systems seem more truly responsive to their citizens.   However the centrist Republicans who would also engulf conservative Dems, would be effectively the governing party (as perhaps they already are) ... going into coalition with their left flank or their right flank according to the changing times.   While this would certainly free up and revitalize "the Democratic wing of the Democratic party" internally, I'm not certain it would ultimately increase its power or influence.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:38:34 AM PST

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      •  Yes, we need the centrists and corporatists to (0+ / 0-)

        keep us from really changing things.  I understand.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:21:14 AM PST

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        •  Not sure I get your point (1+ / 0-)
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          Are you proposing that a smaller but purer Democratic party would, by means of greater vigor and integrity, be more successful in accomplishing change?  Despite holding a correspondingly smaller share of the electorate?  If so, that seems to me a problem with respect to the electoral math.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:28:02 AM PST

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          •  The problem is that the Dem centrists currently (0+ / 0-)

            promise liberal agendas to get elected and then deliver corporatist solutions once they're in office.  This effectively neuters the liberal movement in the US.  By divorcing the rhetoric of the left from the programs of the center-right, a clear choice between what is broadly popular (liberalism) and what has been foisted on us in the name of liberalism (DLC Third Way triangulism) will change electoral dynamics to the point that the liberal agenda will become the order of the day.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

            by nailbender on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:27:10 AM PST

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    •  Hadn't considered the conserv Dem's. (0+ / 0-)

      I've been posting in favor of Brooks' idea but you throw even more conviction into it.  The loss of conserv Dem's would, in fact, free Prog's to drive our Party forward.  That would be interesting.  I'm not sure we'll win, though, as I believe the nation is right of center (so a more moderate GOP would eventually beat a more Prog Dem Party).  The T's would die off, however.  Fascinating.

      "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

      by rainmanjr on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:25:41 PM PST

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