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  •  I wish people would stop advocating the .223 (6+ / 0-)

    as home defense.  Most homes these days (And I built a few of them) are waferboard or drywall or some other material you can punch a hole in with your fist.  A .223 can do much more than your fist, even if you use some of the "home defense" rounds.  Here is a typical advocate for the .223
    http://www.gunsandammo.com/...

    There is not enough space in a comment to reply to all his details but most homeowners are not savvy enough to buy a special round for their rifle.  The author never explains why he needs 30 rounds to repel an invasion or why pistol ammo manufacturers don't make home invasion rounds (I think they make low impact rounds that would work very well) or why the old standby of a shotgun loaded with rocksalt (for the classicist would not work) or birdshot (ever see a can shot with #8 shot at close range?) would not work for the stand your ground type of gun owner.  (I am the run for the safe room and taunt from safety sort)

    •  Usually just having a gun (4+ / 0-)

      Will run most people off, you don't need an AR15.

      That said I think limiting clips would be better than banning them.

      But as long as gun sellers use sort of end times porn and paranoia to sell guns, making people afraid there will be a break down of society or zombie attack people will want this stuff.

      I'd like it to be more like when I was a kid, when the general gun culture looked down on people who bought that type of firearm as immature. Now people with paranoid fantasies seem to be the main market for guns.

      •  I agree as a gun owner (11+ / 0-)

        anything that takes 30 rounds to kill, I don't need to hang around and try to kill (unless I have kryptonite available); but the author mentioning how the little lady needed a 30 round clip to steady her weapon caught my eye.

        My grandfather plugged my first Remington 1100 on the grounds that it was permanently legal for waterfowl and that anything I missed 3 times deserved to live.  Otherwise, he said I was a butcher and not a sportsman  

        •  Sounds just like (1+ / 0-)
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          my step-dad.  

          The truth always matters.

          by texasmom on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:04:01 AM PST

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        •  Amazingly, Joe Scarborough is stepping up and (3+ / 0-)
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          hammering the "survivalist wing of the NRA" on this issue.
          The NRA still hasn't figured out that this time is different.
          I predict they won't get an assault weapons ban, but they will get a ban on big magazines and get the background check and other law enforcement tools they're going for.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:17:08 AM PST

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          •  I'd really like to see (1+ / 0-)
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            Gun owners and companies police their own ranks and sort of put a little peer pressure to bear on some of this end times survival fight bs.

            I mean part of it is not just the NRA but the GOP itself insinuating that every democrat will take their guns or every democrat who wins president represents an actual threat to the republic.  But, as gun owners, and I am one, I'd like to see some of the people buying these guns get some friendly ribbing for being immature.

    •  Although I agree with you in some respects, (0+ / 0-)

      it's all a question of where you live.  I don't have an AR for home defense, but I live in a small town, urban setting.  A shotgun is my preferred choice along with a pistol if necessary.

      However, I have relatives in farming and there has been an increasing incidence of gangs stealing very expensive farm equipment.  They prefer semi-automatic rifles for protection of their equipment and livestock.

      One solution does not fit all and for me or anyone else to suggest that it does shows that all facts have not been considered.

      ps.  The value of farm equipment stolen in a single incident most likely exceeds the haul from a single bank robbery.

      •  for the record I live on a farm (4+ / 0-)
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        if a slug gun up close does not earn respect, then I can stand off and still hit a very small target with a very large 30.06.  I would suggest not confronting armed gangs if you are alone.  An assault weapon tends to make you think kryptonite is your only problem.  

        •  Obviously, you've got little training and fewer (0+ / 0-)

          fact.

          Emo doesn't wash with me.

          •  Dunno what you mean by little training (3+ / 0-)
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            though it was 40 or more years since Basic and as far as few facts, care to point out which facts I seem to be lacking as I have been handling poachers, equipment and livestock thieves, coyotes, feral dogs, belligerent drunks and probably a few situations that slipped my mind?  

            •  It appears that (0+ / 0-)

              Boris uses the emotions accusation when he has no other response.  At least that is how I read his response here and to me below.

              "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

              by newfie on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 10:40:19 AM PST

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            •  Sorry. I got responses confused with another (0+ / 0-)

              set of comments on this same thread.

              Didn't mean to undermine your obvious experience.  Sorry.

              However, your choice of protection is one of many and may not be the same as what your neighbor might want or be comfortable with.

              From a personal perspective, I think a shotgun handles most situations well, but with gangs stealing equipment in larger numbers, a semi-automatic rifle makes more and more sense.

    •  My question (3+ / 0-)
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      where in the hell do you have to live to have 5 people invading your home???   I guess I live a sheltered life in the suburbs of Raleigh, NC.  

      Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

      by Caniac41 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:45:56 AM PST

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    •  If someone invades your home (0+ / 0-)

      it might be a good idea to walk out the nearest door to the outside and run to the neighbor's for help.

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