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  •  I'd agree with that (6+ / 0-)

    I wasn't endorsing that view; I was urging a deeper discussion about violence. I suppose in the midst of this particular political battle people don't want to hear about the link between economic violence waged on poor people and actual violence, but can't blame a guy from trying.

    •  Then you might try not leading (31+ / 0-)

      with the right wing argument. "Look at Chicago!" all my right wing acquaintances chatter. "Look how well their gun control works!" It especially delights them because that is where our President is from. So as you urge for deeper discussion, you might avoid that approach.

      An unsuccessful shoe bomb attack resulted in nine years of inconvenience for every flier in the country. It would be nice to think [this diabolical act] might lead to some similar inconveniences. --mrblifil

      by Debby on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:42:32 AM PST

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    •  You don't have to be poor to be stupid with (4+ / 0-)

      a gun.

      I understand that economic justice and poverty are contributors to the large majority of crimes, but gun violence is a problem that is driven by multiple factors and often enough have nothing to do with poverty.

      •  I don't disagree (4+ / 0-)

        But to hear the responses to some of what I said, you think I'm voicing controversial ideas.

        It's generally accepted that the single biggest factor in the drop on NYC's homicide rate in the nineties was the waning of the crack epidemic.

        Perhaps people think it's bad politics and lending comfort to the NRA to be talking about other causes at this moment; if so, then they should say that; why spout nonsense about guns being the only cause of gun violence?

        •  No I don't think anything that you've (1+ / 0-)
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          said is at all controversial.  I just happen to think that poverty is only one piece of this particular pie.  One of the scary statistics is about women who die by gun and that that is usually carried by a spouse or lover or ex.  Poverty can entrap women in abusive situations, but there are a lot of women who aren't poor who suffer at the hands of abusive spouses.

          I am and have always been big into the poverty issue - it is one of my personal issues and one of the places where I think Democrats starting with Bill Clinton really started to fail.  Of course, they are better than Republicans by miles especially these days, but still it is too ignored.  

          Having said all of that adding poverty into the mix of this debate, I think, would make it easier for Wayne LaPierre to peddle the bullshit he did at today's hearing and distract from the fact that the key provisions currently on the table relate to preventing guns from getting into the hands of people who would use them for violence against other people.  If we could at least start to define the legal vs. legal zone, I think that that would help a lot - and I know it would help to reduce the number of guns in impoverished communities.  My Dad was a dc pub def for more than two decades - I am all too familiar with what goes on - and also mindful of the fact that automatic five year prison sentences for having a gun whilst also being a criminal is not necessarily a very helpful circle jerk, either.  This issue is super complex as is poverty.

        •  You are experiencing (1+ / 0-)
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          what members of RKBA face every time we venture an opinion that perhaps there are problems other than guns in the hands of the average person, and that maybe there are factors that cause violence in general that should be addressed.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:09:39 PM PST

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    •  Urge that deeper discussion in YOUR post. Thanks. (0+ / 0-)

      The other factors are important, yes.  Not in a post honoring another GUN violence victim.  So, yes, I can blame a guy for persisting with his pov in THIS post.

      The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

      by JVolvo on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:37:04 AM PST

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