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  •  It didn't say she was in a gang (3+ / 0-)
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    it was pretty explicit to state that she wasn't but it is thought that those who she was at the park with were gang members.

    They ran - and no one is talking.

    Might as well say those "friends" pulled the trigger too.

    With "friends" like that, who needs enemies?

    They're not friends if they don't help authorities bring the shooter to justice....or will they retaliate and we can just keep piling up the dead bodies?

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 10:59:33 AM PST

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    •  You are going under the premise (3+ / 0-)
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      that the police in this country are to be trusted. These children see daily that the police are not to be trusted. Expecting them to go to the police when they KNOW someone that has been falsely convicted is unreasonable.

      And I'm sorry if someone is shooting and I start running. I'm going for a fucking marathon before I look back. Expecting anyone to do differently is ridiculous.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:04:02 AM PST

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      •  Based on your statement (1+ / 0-)
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        Gun laws will never work.  If police will not be trusted due to their abuses - and people cannot trust the police for protection - then they HAVE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.  If the people who you are protecting yourself have a gun - then I'm getting a gun - a bigger, badder gun than they have.

        See how insane it is?

        As for running - I would run too - but I would also let the cops know who the shooter was if I knew and try to provide the best description I have - becasue that's what friends do.

        As we can all read form these threads - these problems with guns go well beyond them too.  These are not mutually exclusive issues - they are intertwined.

        The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

        by ctexrep on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:20:54 AM PST

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        •  You are disputing reality in the ghetto (4+ / 0-)
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          Nothing can be gained by my trying to explain it to you again.

          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:26:47 AM PST

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          •  No need to (0+ / 0-)

            but if we are to progress and we want positive change then people will have to move on from the "reality of the rural" and "reality of the ghetto".

            The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

            by ctexrep on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:55:10 AM PST

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        •  There's another reason (1+ / 0-)
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          As the population keeps increasing, and the ratio of police to citizens keeps falling, there will never be enough police to protect everyone all the time, everywhere.    There never really were.    We can't all have cop doing 24 hours security duty for each of us.

          Besides, police are reactive.   You only call the police after someone started shooting at you, and then you wait for them to get there.

          •  Very true (1+ / 0-)
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            DFWmom

            Police are really for "investigating" crime scenes - they can only prevent so may crimes since they have limited resources.

            I think that's the main reason so many people do have firearms - they know when seconds count, police are minutes away.

            If we make it a "war on guns" we'll lose.  Just like the war on drugs.

            Education, safety, security checks will help - but you can't turn back time - the technology exists - the best anyone can do is try to manage it.

            No law makes us safe -  think of how many laws were broken in the murder of this girl.

            The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

            by ctexrep on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:18:43 PM PST

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