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  •  Only if you assume (3+ / 0-)
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    Glen The Plumber, Sandino, tgrshark13

    no false positives in those numbers either. But I do agree, someone who scares kids off their lawn with a shotgun isn't likely to report the DGU to the police.

    On the other hand, I'm not sure that those DGUs are a net benefit to our society in the first place.

    But we need better studies, more comprehensive studies, and studies where we aren't extrapolating from 10-50 people to 2.5 million.

    •  I guess if there can be false postitives there (7+ / 0-)

      could be false negatives? Maybe more of them?

      I don't think hypotheticals help inform the conversation at all. (lawn, shotgun, kids)

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 09:16:15 PM PST

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      •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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        Sandino, bigjacbigjacbigjac

        We need better studies, and better numbers. I just felt it necessary to respond to a claim that 100k represents the 'absolute low-end estimate' when we know nothing of the sort.

        Depending on how they scraped those numbers, that might be the mid-range number between 90-110k, 50-150k, or even 10-200k.

        For example, this link:

        reports 65k DGU from a NCVS survey.

        This later study:

        estimates 60-120k from NCVS and includes a couple of more recent surveys indicating that gun victimization is more prevalent than DGU by about a factor of 3, though again the sample size and positive response was relatively small for both.

    •  are you suggesting people make up dgu to report (4+ / 0-)
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      to the police to inflate that number?

      Why would they bother and also risk whatever the police decide they may have done wrong.

      Reminds me of the guy that called the cops because three guys with guns took his pound of MJ and the money they had said they were going to pay for it with.

      He was arrested, gunnies still at large in a small town.

      What was more inspiring in a dgu way recently was a woman alone in a remote house that was invaded by two goons, she fired two shots from her hubby's pistol near enough that they fled. Of course we don't know their intentions as they were not apprehended, we don't know if they were there previously and bought or sold drugs, if it was an attempted rape...none of that mattered at the time as they came in the broken door and advanced despite her warning and brandishing.
        Those people that hate guns and say she shouldn't have had one should be happy the criminals weren't hurt, and after she fired two rounds from a revolver she had fewer rounds loaded, so it was more...fair maybe?
        The article never said that she was firing a warning shot or aimed and missed...
        For her sake this time it worked out for the best as she doesn't have to live with the taken life on her conscience and she still....lives. And so do the at large criminals.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:25:58 PM PST

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      •  In short, yes (1+ / 0-)
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        Among certain communities, it seems entirely plausible that there will be some fraction of respondents who falsely claim that they used a gun to prevent a crime form occurring.

        Remember, DGU is often seen as a heroic action by a fairly significant subset of the gun-owning society. Throw in a sympathetic and/or encouraging police force and certainly one can imagine ginning up the heroism of warding off a burglar or attacker by brandishing a gun.

        Percentage-wise? Probably not a big factor in the overall number.

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