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  •  A liberty is a liberty and should not be (8+ / 0-)

    infringed.

    When it comes to liberties the similarities between them are vast and the differences are few.
    We should stand up for all of them.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 03:20:38 PM PST

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    •  False equivalence (4+ / 0-)

      Your body is your own and a uterus is part of that package for those who have one.

      A weapon is a tool.

      Not seeing the "liberty" connection here.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:42:49 PM PST

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      •  No one is trying to ban a uterus (1+ / 0-)
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        'False equivalence' indeed.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 06:30:27 PM PST

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        •  There's only one flavor of uterus: (1+ / 0-)
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          the kind that isn't a tool for killing people, but instead an inherent portion of a female body.

          Looking for that equivalence, still . . . I know you'll keep trying.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 06:39:02 PM PST

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          •  Uh, no. There is no equivalence between a uterus (2+ / 0-)
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            and the AWB.
            There is an equivalence between pushing to ban abortions & pushing to ban firearms.
            .......but, you already knew that-which is why you are avoiding the discussion by trying to substitute the word 'uterus' for 'abortion'.

            Hence, 'false equivalence'

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 06:47:46 PM PST

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            •  I've clearly stated that they are entirely (1+ / 0-)
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              different entities, and therefore have no such equivalence.

              There is far more written in the Constitution about our individual rights than those related to owning and using firearms, and even those are differentiated because they pertain to our BODIES vs KILLING TOOLS.

              It's a supreme insult and shows marked lack of character for RKBA to try and glom onto a women's health privacy issue by somehow acting as if that's at all similar - let alone equal in stature - to which styles and/or modes of use are allowed related to firearm weaponry.

              Truly, this flies into right-wing fantasy land, where contexts are narrowed into specific keywords (e.g., "liberties") as a sorry means to attempt some sort of level-sounding comparison.

              Instead, this practice is better known as "obfuscation" and is readily apparent to someone like myself . . . a former Republican and ex-NRA member.

              "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

              by wader on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 07:08:07 PM PST

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              •  Individual liberties are individual liberties. (1+ / 0-)
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                That is an equivalence, no matter how you try to dodge it.

                The 2nd Amendment is also about our individual rights. And there is more written in the Constitution about the right to keep and bear arms than there is about abortion....I really can't comprehend how you think this bolsters your case.

                "lack of character for RKBA"
                Neither I, nor the author of this diary are members of RKBA....you're going to have to find a different reason to try to disparage those that dare disagree with you.

                "keywords"
                Liberty is a word with a definition.
                "Liberty NOUN:
                       1) a) The condition of being free from restriction or control.
                           b) The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
                        2)Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
                         3)A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights. "

                Word meanings don't change because you are uncomfortable with their definition

                "Obfuscation"
                You mean like dismissing accurate words as keywords? Like changing the conversation from 'abortion' to 'uterus'? Like refusing to acknowledge that you are pushing to infringe on individual liberties? Like blaming a group that neither I, nor the diarist are members of?
                Kinda like that?

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 10:53:37 PM PST

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        •  Funny thing, if your doctor thinks your uterus (1+ / 0-)
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          is a danger to your health, they're allowed to talk to you about removing it.

          They're not allowed to do that with guns in some states.

    •  Standing up does not necessarily imply absolutism (0+ / 0-)

      and the devil is in the details.

      YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

      by raincrow on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:54:00 PM PST

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