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  •  I really don't understand how (8+ / 0-)

    the 2A types are coming across as so totally unfeeling, uncaring and tone deaf.
    They actually heckled the father of a dead child as he spoke in CT yesterday.
    I just don't get it.
    Lapierre was talking about King George and tyranny today.
    WTF.

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:46:35 PM PST

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    •  Paranoia. (6+ / 0-)

      Although my running buddy told me tonight that Canada made people register their guns, and then took them.

      So they have a precedent to cite. Apparently Germany did this too.

      But heckling a grieving father?

      Paranoia overriding basic social skills. Delusional.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:52:15 PM PST

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      •  I would cry a river if we were to copy the (3+ / 0-)
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        brave Canadians. Register and confiscate guns? Can you imagine that happening here? More the pity.

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 04:57:40 PM PST

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      •  Fiction (4+ / 0-)

        I live in Canada. It didn't happen.

      •  Did your buddy give details on this gun-taking? (6+ / 0-)

        What exactly does your running think happened in Canada, and in what decade?

        I've been living in Canada for quite a while. I don't recall any occasion when the government was taking away guns, at least for people in compliance with the law. A criminal caught with an unregistered handgun, yes, that's seized. A farmer with a permit who has a rifle? I don't think so.

        There was quite a battle over the long gun registry, which required registration of guns in the non-restricted category. Some (or many) rifles and shotguns are in this category.

        It is fairly easy for a person to get a permit to own a non-restricted firearm, once the person has completed the mandatory safety course and applied to the RCMP for the permit. (Once you have a permit, you can buy a non-restricted firearm.)

        A person who wishes to buy and own a restricted firearm (such as a handgun) has to complete an additional safety course. Restricted firearms are registered.

        Very few people have a permit to carry a handgun around on their person. However, the legal owners of handguns have to be able to transport them, because, as I understand it, you can't even fire a  handgun on your own private property. Hence, they need to belong to a club which has an approved range. There are strict rules about how to transport the guns, which involves multiple levels of locking things up and separating firearms from ammo.

        So, back to the registry. A lot of people complained bitterly about their non-restricted firearms being listed in the long gun register. The Conservative government got rid of this register, unfortunately. So now Canadians who own hunting rifles, for example, can sleep at night knowing that the serial number isn't in some government file. But the police can't trace a non-restricted firearm to its owner.

        As far as I know, the taking of guns from people was just in the imagination of opponents of the long gun registry, who were sure that the government would grab their guns someday.

        But I stand to be corrected if Canada has been grabbing guns.

        •  It was snark. (2+ / 0-)
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          The "Germany did this too" bit is the clue, a reference to the (false) claim that "Hitler took the Germans' guns!".  :-)

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            I don't always catch snark. Missed it this time.

            There was such a fuss about the long gun registry that I was pretty sure that the government hadn't gotten around to taking guns from people.

            Though one gun owner I heard said he was working on a means of burying his long guns in the backyard so the government wouldn't find them, even if they searched his house. I'm not quite sure how he planned to get to them to go hunting, or whatever it was he did.

      •  Canada didn't. Hitler did. Stalin didn't. (1+ / 0-)
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        In fact, Stalin established shooting clubs all over his Soviet Union. Handed out 10,000,000 rifles. Taught everybody he could how to shoot.

        Lyudmila Pavlichenko, a match to our Scarlet Johansson in the looks department, topped his wartime snipers with 309 confirmed kills.

        You'll hear how "Hitler and Stalin took the guns away." NRA madness. Stalin did the opposite, which turned out snipers by the drove -- basically saved them both Stalingrad and Leningrad during the war.

        By the way: Australia did. With a 600,000 assault-rifle mandatory buy back in 1996. Very conservative government and brass balls.

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 05:11:39 AM PST

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      •  the German story is not quite correct (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.law.uchicago.edu/...

        The gun confiscation was under the Versailles Treaty and the subsequent Weimar Republic and the goal was to disarm potential militias which would have been a first step to rebuilding the German military (and is the path that Hitler used) and later by the Republic which was fighting anarchy as Leftist and Rightest gangs battled in the streets, situations completely analogous to the US today, right?

    •  they come across like that because they are (5+ / 0-)

      They simply don't care; 20 dead children are nothing to them.  Their freedom to own guns is the only thing that matters to them.

      Something's wrong when the bad guys are the utopian ones.

      by Visceral on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 05:10:18 PM PST

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      •  Prerequisite: paranaoia. (1+ / 0-)
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        Most of it is exogenous paranoia. With NRA selling the lie that Americans use guns 2,500,000 times a year to defend their homes, anybody who believes them is one giant step forward on the way to the booby hatch.

        Results: $50-billion wasted buying "home defense" guns over the last 20 years.

        Facts: all civilian justifiable homicides totaled 232 deaths in 2010.

        All home invasions, including burglars with knives, totaled 8,000. The most of this was burglaries where family was at home, maybe upstairs when the burglars entered.

        Not 2,500,000. Not even close. More like 1% of that when you include going after raccoons.

        Last years we have full data were 1987-1992: gun "defenses" were 83,000 including police drawing weapons at crime scenes. Police and civilian together get the 83,000 figure. That's FBI/DoJ.

        Civilian gun uses were about 25,000 and that included shooting raccoons. Most of civilian uses were (and are today) at small businesses during armed robbery attempts.

        Home defenses where guns are fired during crimes might total 80 or 90 deaths, fewer than 400 shootings a year. The total cannot possibly be as many as 1,000 shootings.

        It's paranoia. Artificially induced. Based nearly 100% on lies. Real, nonetheless.

        A hoard of imaginary barbaric criminals attack American homes 2,500,000 times a year -- driven off by Hero Of The NRA gunslingers.

        And Sarah Palin is the new Marilyn Monroe !

        ("Raccoons" is a key concept, here. Gun owners use their firearms much more to go after nuisance animals than to go after other humans. NRA misstates gun use over and over and over. For $50-billion extra Gun Biz profit, that's understandable. For NRA it's a sales pitch.)

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 05:39:23 AM PST

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    •  They come across that way (3+ / 0-)
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      because they ARE that way.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 06:02:41 PM PST

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