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  •  Even if cannabis were legal everywhere (3+ / 0-)
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    I still think 10 years for growing on protected land could be appropriate (4000+ plants is not a backyard grow, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't give two damns about the environmental damage). I think it would be far smarter to legalize it everywhere, then this guy could compete with the legit growers in CA where he is from, or be discouraged from setting up a grow for personal gain and/or cartel profit.

    •  Tax Evasion (2+ / 0-)
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      I still think 10 years for growing on protected land could be appropriate (4000+ plants is not a backyard grow, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't give two damns about the environmental damage).
      Some years ago a friend said to me that drug dealers were really being punished for tax evasion.

      One has to wonder where all the former "black market" cash used to buy and sell cannabis will go in states that legalize cannabis? Will it reemerge and thus be subject to taxation? Logic implies that it will...

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      by paz3 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:56:57 AM PST

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      •  That's such bullshit. (1+ / 0-)
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        If they want people in the pot industry to pay taxes then freaking legalize it already! Most growers I know would be perfectly happy to be able to pay taxes, declare income and not have to sneak around in a cash economy trying to be inconspicuous to the IRS because you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Declare the income and get busted by the DEA. Don't declare and get busted by the IRS. You can't freaking win. Nobody wants to be an outlaw, FFS, these are just regular people with an unusual gardening hobby and don't need to be made into felons over a damned plant. It's so stupid.

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        by SmartAleq on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 05:01:00 PM PST

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        •  many do pay taxes (0+ / 0-)

          they have obvious things they are paying for so they make up some bs to claim as income from consulting or whatever...but, hell yes, legalize it and tax them , but some growers in norcal were famous for funding opposition to legalization efforts. Some of them have a lot of karmic burden to bear. All those people in jail for stupid shit like possession are part of the cost that provided their income.
             So legalization might well be the end of business as usual at $1500/pound.

          Wise ones purchased grape property and other farmland.

           

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          by KenBee on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:12:34 AM PST

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    •  He should be busted according to how much damage (2+ / 0-)
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      he did.  If he used hundreds of pounds of fertilizer and a shitload of pesticides, he ought to be paying to repair the damage and serving a few years.

      If not, well....

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      by JesseCW on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 11:17:02 AM PST

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    •  Ten years for growing a plant? (3+ / 0-)
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      You are the end product of the enforcement / prison industry propaganda machine. TEN FUCKING YEARS? A half million in costs to the state? A family with no father for TEN YEARS? Environmental damage the problem? Corporations cause billions in damage and the penalties are strictly civil. Really, only in America and the Moslem world do we have these kinds of penalties.

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      by shmuelman on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 02:12:06 PM PST

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    •  Pay a pittance for a grazing permit on the same (0+ / 0-)

      parcel, and the place would be well and truly trashed by a thousand sheep. I mean, just even the smell is so bad that wildlfe will stay away for months. And a clear cut?

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 02:51:04 PM PST

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      •  aside from the grower clear cuts, poison (0+ / 0-)

        in the form of rodenticide, traps for humans and deer and out of control fertilizer and weed abatement issues, it's so way cool. not.
        And then there are the endangered fish kille3d by growers who suck the last of the water after the subsidized alfalfa , wine and suburbia interests suck it up. legally..as long as cor[porate graft and grifting is considered legal.

        Who loses most directly: the local tribes, fucked again by the relative lack of federal enforcements for any of this. Even they get shot at.

        your point about the grazing lands as a subsidy for sheep and cattle is correct, a pittance in cost, over grazed land and dead wolves part of our burden.

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        by KenBee on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:18:28 AM PST

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    •  These guys do a ton of environmental damage (1+ / 0-)
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      with the illegal grows on forest service land.

      Every year, there's a cleanup on a short stretch of the upper mainstem Eel River. This is just one of the piles the volunteers picked up, in 2012.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 02:53:00 PM PST

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      •  I was just reading about that! (0+ / 0-)

        I came across a grow the FS didn't know about.
          The place was littered with spray paint cans: huffers!

        the cleanup further down river I was reading I think was homeless encampments,  tons of material removed or burned.

        here's a good link to the recent LA Times editorial on the recent court ruling leaving MJ a class I drug. ugh.

        la times article on court ruling

        Mendocino County still fighting the fed trying to get at their zip tie program registry people, those who signed up to be legal med MJ growers.Hunted by the Feds.

        serious police activity on the rez. good! meth, guns, gun enhanced charges, heroin.
        I saw all this other stuff looking for the cleanup article, I guess it must be in a comment somewhere on LCO probably.

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        by KenBee on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:43:32 AM PST

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        •  The zip tie program is dead (1+ / 0-)
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          The feds forced the sheriff to discontinue it. Pity, because it met many local needs rather well.

          Here is an article about the Eel River Cleanup in 2011. My daughter and I have participated for several years, and found all sorts of interesting and uninteresting trash. Jared Huffman (now our congressman) came to observe the staging last year, which was good to see. In 2012, my group filled a pickup truck with a discarded trailer and several snags of wire fencing that would have been devastating to fish had they been washed into the river (and they would have, during the December rains, had we not removed it).

          That's not even the full load, and it was one of many.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:34:53 AM PST

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    •  Do you think a life sentence for growing (0+ / 0-)

      on protected land could be appropriate because that, not 10 years, is what he will likely get?  Or perhaps they will split it and he will only get 40 years.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:37:25 PM PST

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