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  •  Didn't Canada register guns? (1+ / 0-)
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    Norm in Chicago

    Are all firearms required to have a trigger lock?

    Sure. But people unlock them to use them.

    Are all firearms required to be stored in a locked and inaccessible way?

    Great Idea. But people will unlock them to use them

    Are 100% of all sales and exchanges of firearms tracked by the ATF?

    Nope. Go for it

    Are gun dealers policed and is there oversight on what they are selling and to whom?
    Nope. Cops too busy chasing marijuana to be worried about firearms dealers, even though I highlighted one of the problems in the article.  Chucks Guns is known to be a huge offender, but still open. Shut em down.

    Is there a Universal Background check on ALL prospective gun owners?

    I don't know about "universal" but it should be. That's reasonable

    Most of the stuff in your post is reasonable.

    However, registrations lead to confiscations and that will be contentious. Most everything else should have been done ages ago.

    This is the sound of a reasonable discourse.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 06:45:49 AM PST

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    •  No matter how many 'buts' you throw in (5+ / 0-)

      they still have a lot fewer acts of gun violence per capita.

      No laws, no bans, no actions we can ever take will ever stop all instances, but that's a poor argument for not trying to minimize such.

      •  Go all out on your gun ban idea. (0+ / 0-)

        Please do not let me interfere with that.

        Please......go for it.

        Loudly, since you believe you're correct.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 07:49:38 AM PST

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    •  This is just paranoia (1+ / 0-)
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      However, registrations lead to confiscations and that will be contentious.
      that gets in the way of honest discussion of reasonable controls that would work. How many sheriffs or police chiefs are going to go along with 'confiscations'? It's just simply not going to happen.

      Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

      by bear83 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 07:01:32 AM PST

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      •  Plase share your link to research (0+ / 0-)

        showing registration doesn't lead to confiscation.

        thanks so much.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:10:58 AM PST

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        •  Did you (3+ / 0-)
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          seriously ask someone to prove a negative regarding a claim that you made?

          Wow, talk about shifting the burden.

          •  Bear made an assertion. (0+ / 0-)

            I asked for a link.

            This is standard procedure here: Make a claim? supply a link.

            Claims require evidence; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

            A baseline expectation at this here site.

            A simple question leads to such intense emotion.... Why dat is?

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:53:44 AM PST

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            •  Find a sheriff or police chief anywhere in the USA (0+ / 0-)

              who says they would be willing to go into people's homes to confiscate guns. Find just 1.

              You can't - nobody is advocating that. No one.

              Filibuster reform, 2013 - woulda, coulda, shoulda.

              by bear83 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:03:59 PM PST

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              •  LOTS of people here are dreaming pastel (1+ / 0-)
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                warm and fuzzy wonderful dreams about just that very thing.

                Do not kid yourself.

                The Holy Motherfucking Grail

                Probably half of those who deny it are lying. If not to you, to themselves.

                Before 12/14 I'd mention that people want a ban and I'd get chided: now it's 'the only thing that will work' according to 'some'.

                Plenty of them.

                The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

                by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:20:33 PM PST

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    •  Yes, Canada still registers guns. To reply: (1+ / 0-)
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      Q: Are all firearms required to have a trigger lock?

      A: Sure. But people unlock them to use them.

      Reply: Are all firearms in the U.S. required to have trigger locks?  I don’t think they do.

      Q: Are all firearms required to be stored in a locked and inaccessible way?

      A: Great Idea. But people will unlock them to use them

      Reply: Yes, and when they are finished, they would need to relock them again.

      Q: Are 100% of all sales and exchanges of firearms tracked by the ATF?

      A: Nope. Go for it

      Reply: Well, there’s your problem right there. Do you support 100% of all sales and exchanges being tracked by the ATF?  Is that a reasonable expectation of gun ownership in America?

      Q: Are gun dealers policed and is there oversight on what they are selling and to whom?

      A: Nope. Cops too busy chasing marijuana to be worried about firearms dealers, even though I highlighted one of the problems in the article.  Chucks Guns is known to be a huge offender, but still open. Shut em down.

      Reply: So second level problem now identified.  From your tone, you support the policing of all gun dealers and their prosecution if they violate the regulations.  Make your voice heard from a pro-2nd amendment position to counter the NRA.

      Q: Is there a Universal Background check on ALL prospective gun owners?

      A: I don't know about "universal" but it should be. That's reasonable

      Reply: Another position of agreement.  Effective control is close.

      Pushback:  "Registrations lead to confiscations and that will be contentious."

      Reply: Registration does not lead to confiscation.

      Canada is a case in point.  Until recently all long guns had to be registered.  None were confiscated.  Even today, all handguns and restricted weapons (automatic & military-style) have to be registered.  No confiscations.

      Again, the 2nd Amendment protects gun rights in the U.S.  To confiscate guns, that amendment would have to be revoked.  If confiscation can not occur in Canada, it definitely cannot occur in the U.S.

      Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

      by LiberalCanuck on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 07:05:58 AM PST

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      •  The 2nd amendment does not (2+ / 0-)
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        protect the right of an individual to own a gun. Read it more carefully.

        this interpretation is actually very recent, and is only occurring due to a stacking of the courts with hard-right judges. As demographic shifts make it unlikely another right-wing judge will be appointed to the supreme court within the next couple of decades, that interpretation will likely shift back (especially as more Sandy Hooks inevitably occur). American culture is moving against gun fetishism, quickly. The lack of control and regulation has allowed a free-for-all that is roughly equivalent to handing out hand granades in a mental asylum. Absolutely any troubled individual who wants to hoard guns and wreak havoc can do so with little intervention. The majority of Americans do not own guns, and are getting mighty sick of indulging those who do.

        In any case, I favor choking off supply in the short term until the courts shift back; background checks are part of that, but there are many places were we can slow down purchasing by the "legit" buyers who introduce guns into the wider, illegitimate marketplace.

      •  Your post highlights why I don't have real guns. (0+ / 0-)

        You can't use them.

        You can buy them and the ammo.

        Then you keep it all locked up all the time.

        WTF good is that?

        I have to drive someplace, pay fees, buy expensive ammo, put up with other people just to have a little fun shooting paper or cans.

        I have zero use for that.

        To me, guns are already quite well-regulated - we can tighten it up more, but they are nigh-on useless to me.

        I have guns I can actually shoot when I want to.

        Not nearly as manly, but who cares?

        I can shoot whenever I want.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 07:59:24 AM PST

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        •  There is no requirement (1+ / 0-)
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          in my state/locality to have a trigger lock or gun safe, and I don't have either one. I keep the shotgun on a high shelf in my bedroom, unloaded, with ammo on the shelf behind the front door so they're handy if I need them. #1 use over the years for this weapon has been rabid animals and livestock/pet protection from coyotes and wild dogs.

          The weapons that we need to secure when the younger grandkids (etc.) are around are #1 grandson's sword/knife/sai collection and pistol action crossbow. Have long and compound bows and arrows so the youngsters can take target practice up against the mountainside under supervision, an ample supply of wooden swords sheathed in foam and duct tape for mock battles.

          We don't keep any of our axes, mauls, machetes, hoes, shovels or other instruments of pit viper [double duty!] destruction secured, because when we need one quickly it needs to be where one of us can quickly get to it. Some at the garden gate, some under the boxwood between garden and shed, some just inside the shed door. Pit vipers tend to disappear if you take your eyes off them, so it's a 'rule' that the spotter stays on the snake while somebody else runs for the nearest beheading device.

          Oh, and by the way, a gun of any variety is about the WORST weapon you could choose for dealing with copperheads or timber rattlers. Just so you know... §;o)

          •  Taurus Judge with .410 pdx? (1+ / 0-)
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            Actually, I have a very nice SpecPlus 8 machetethat would do a sweet number on any snake.

            I am an outdoors dude and have been uncomfortably close to poisonous snakes once or twice.

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 03:58:03 PM PST

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            •  Timber rattlers maybe with the .410 (1+ / 0-)
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              KenBee

              but why bother? Don't usually carry it with, and it's not usually loaded. Timber's are actually quite smart, as well as big enough to eat rabbits and young groundhogs. That means they stay near the warrens in the high field or bottomland, we've seen exactly one in the kept yard/garden (outside the forest) in 20 years. It had about half swallowed a squirrel. Have forest grown medicinals I manage, but leave the forest-dwellers alone. Always walk with a staff, if there's a defensive viper on the trail just flip it off on the down-side of the mountain. If you make some noise (or bring the dogs) they disappear into the underbrush before you'll ever see 'em.

              Copperheads, on the other hand, believe they own the place. They prefer the kept yard, as close to the house and/or outbuildings as possible - even inside if you happen to leave a door open. They're aggressively territorial too, will actually come after pets and humans, fangs bared. We average two or three a year, could easily find more if we really wanted to.

              One of my grandsons and one of my nephews have been copper-bit while here during summers when younger, grandson spent his 13th birthday in the hospital with a morphine drip. You can preach and bitch all day and night to the city kids to watch out for snakes - give 'em the whole seminar on what to look out for and how to deal with any they come across - but they just aren't accustomed to any countryside that isn't a nice city park. Other grandson we've raised here since he was two has never even come close to being bitten. More like my brother (R.I.P.), who could stare down a snake and grab it behind the head mid-strike. He usually then milked it on a stick and tossed it off the trail. Only so much venom in a viper lifetime, bites from youngsters are the worst (older vipers know they aren't going to eat you, won't waste their stash).

              The favored beheading device is machete, followed closely by an ancient, heavy and thoroughly bad-looking bank scythe. That I'm sure Diane Feinstein would make illegal if she ever saw it... §;o)

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