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  •  You do realize that even regular printers all have (0+ / 0-)

    hidden codes placed on everything they print so that law enforcement can identify the exact printer used to create a document, right?  That was in the news a few years back, and there's no reason to believe that capability has been removed.

    3D printers capable of creating weapons would certainly have such codes as well, and people caught creating guns that way would probably draw heavy jail time.

    •  That is so technically false (2+ / 0-)
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      First, anything can be hacked.  Second, there is a massive technical difference between printing a micro-code on paper and etching a micro-code into hard steel.  That takes a different tool, tools that are changed out by hand.  It would be extremely trivial to prevent a 3D printer from including a hidden code.  The finished part could also be given a hand grinding surface treatment to erase any evidence.

      Third, a 3D printer simply makes the process faster and easier.  Guns were being made 300 years ago by illiterate blacksmiths.  Regular machine tools are good enough.

      Fourth, those who produce and traffic illegal drugs already face heavy jail time, and that hasn't made the War on Drugs a sucess.  The potential profit is simply far too large, and there are a lot of desperate poor people out there.

      The point is, I don't want to give the gangs another high profit product to sell.  And neither should you, because then the gun trade will be fully out of control.

      •  I have no problem with the guns being made (2+ / 0-)
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        blueness, KenBee

        300 years ago. You want to sit in your basement making that shit, go right ahead.

        You build a factory sophisticated enough to produce AR15s on a mass scale without the notice of the government? Good luck.

        I grew up in Humboldt County, California. I know what a grow house looks like. They are crude, messy affairs and do not require the technical skill involved in mass producing powerful, modern weapons.

        Guns and drugs are radically different objects. False analogy.

        •  And those houses were spawned and nurtured (0+ / 0-)

          by law enforcement's jihad against the plant they grew illegally.

          Now when we legalize it, the illegal shit will wane.

          When we illegalize it, the illegal shit increases.

          Rather predictably.

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:15:54 AM PST

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        •  The AR-15 is about 5% of homicides (2+ / 0-)
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          A gun like the AR-15 is not radically more lethal than a handgun, and an AR-15 is not easily concealed.  It won't be sophisticated and overly complicated combat weapons that are produced underground.  It will be very simple handguns and ammo.  And no, it doesn't take a massive factory to keep a gang armed.

          Plus, we have not been able to dent the drug shipments from overseas.  The weapons will just come in the same way.

          More money, more gangs, more crime, more illegal guns.  That's the path prohibition sends us down.

          •  Your conclusion does not follow your premise (1+ / 0-)
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            We have all the problems you outline. Stopping the influx of millions or more guns per year does not lead to "More money, more gangs, more crime, more illegal guns". It leads  to the opposite.

            We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

            by i understand on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 10:31:58 AM PST

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        •  ww2 british Sten guns were stamped products (0+ / 0-)
          The Sten used simple stamped metal components and minor welding, which required a minimum of machining and manufacturing. Much of the production could be performed by small workshops, with the firearms assembled at the Enfield site. Over the period of manufacture the Sten design was further simplified: the most basic model, the Mark III, could be produced from five man-hours work. Some of the cheapest versions were made from only 47 different parts.
          from the wiki...that's a fully automatic weapon.

          Cranked out, 4 million, during wartime under attack.

          There are villages in Italy that specialize in the parts to accordians, a very complicated instrument, moreso than a Sten gun. You can go to Pakistan and watch a gun being made in a roadside stall.
              Not quite mass production, but none the less lethal.

          And you are right about grow houses, I am living in one, Humco former grow house and still finding 'product'. And wiring, and whatever it iskinda stuff.

          This machine kills Fascists.

          by KenBee on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 01:31:42 AM PST

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      •  I wasn't talking 'etching a microcode' (0+ / 0-)

        And I'm guessing that most of your wannabe gun makers are technically ignorant, not hackers.

        The vast majority of Americans are barely able to operate their computers, much less 'hack' things.

      •  wasn't basically everyone illiterate 300 yrs ago? (0+ / 0-)

        didn't make them stupid, untrained nor untalented.

        It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

        by Murphoney on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:03:44 AM PST

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    •  And the threat of jail time (1+ / 0-)
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      prevents virtually all criminal activity.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 07:45:40 AM PST

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      •  Threat? I'm not talking 'threat' (0+ / 0-)

        Or 'deterrent'.  I'm talking a) tracking down the makers after a crime is committed, and b) keeping them out of society longer.

        But whatever.  this will be my last comment in the diary, I simply don't agree with your beliefs in this case, nor in any chance that either of us will 'convert' the other.

        •  No we are not going to agree (0+ / 0-)

          but......it would be nice if we could shut the barn door BEFORE the horse escape though... wouldn't it?

          I'm talking a) tracking down the makers after a crime is committed, and b) keeping them out of society longer.

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 11:33:20 AM PST

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        •  dude, they are letting violent felons out early! (0+ / 0-)

          cause of, you know, no money....really fucking crazy ones with tattoos all over their heads and faces, no sense of decency, and it is not long before they start the same old shit.

          People beliefs in the Magic Justice System™ sounds like a late night commercial with a fast talking British pitchman.

          The system has been fucked, purposefully I think, so we can all run around in circles while they steal even more pension plans and prevent any real climate crisis changes for one.

          This machine kills Fascists.

          by KenBee on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 01:36:59 AM PST

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