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  •  Lack of treatment for PTSD? (20+ / 0-)

    So many Vietnam-era veterans got sent home with NO followup, no way to deal with their mental state.

    Here in Alabama we've always had our share of crazy people. Even before Fox News, we had right-wing AM-radio talkers. (Actually, we still do.) We know that some percentage of people are just lunatics, because of brain chemistry or whatever. But combine a natural inclination to mental illness with untreated PTSD, a rural isolated lifestyle, and a steady diet of paranoia-based entertainment, and this is what can happen.

    "Maybe life's meaning is not so much found, as it is made." Opus, by Berke Breathed

    by Lisa in Bama on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 07:31:34 AM PST

    •  while PTSD can take decades to manifest (16+ / 0-)

      I would argue for most victims of PTSD, at least among the VN vets who were not treated as the military denied both the existence of PTSD and the dangers of Agent Orange, the danger is more to themselves than to others.

      While this guy may be experiencing the late effects of PTSD, he could also have suffered a CVA for example or any number of other possible causes for his behavior.  I am concerned in this era of lazy journalism, the MSM will grab upon the meme of "deranged VN vet" and leave it there

      •  Exactly! (9+ / 0-)

        This is another example of labelling by the media for the sake of having some explanation of why this happening, when in truth there could any number of explanations of why this man went off, including listening too much to hate radio, Rush, Glen Beck, (or CS from Alex Jones, Tex Marrs, etc.) you name it.  

        While this situation is horrific and it is now becoming a daily occurrence in this country.  The media putting labels on this type of situation just adds to more fear and judgment of others that have experience war or trauma.  And, all the while, they ignore the major problems of our society.  Since Viet Nam, our country, has and continues to ignore the war vets and the problems that the trauma of war truly causes.  Instead we are a nation that glorifies war and violence, just turn on the TV or go to the movies, it is all about guns and violence.  This, to me,  is more an example of the break down of our society and its social safety nets than it is delayed PTSD.  I say that because there were signs that this man was having problems and there should have been some kind of intervention prior to this happening.  The article I read stated that neighbors were having trouble with this man prior to this incident.  Why was there not a wellness check done on this man and his gun taken away?  Well, this is what social services use to do prior to cuts and out sourced.  When I worked in the ER as a social worker people use to feel safe enough to seek medical attention and admit they were having problems and get help.  But, not today, in our for profit world.

        Now there are 22 children with PTSD after witnessing a shooting, murder, and kidnapping.  How are these children, and the child who is alone with this man going to deal with their PTSD?  How are they ever going to trust the world they are growing up in?

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 09:56:42 AM PST

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        •  since he was in an unincorporated area (1+ / 0-)
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          I would guess advanced mental health facilities would not be available.  Since he is said to be a vet, I have to wonder how far away the nearest VA is?

          I would hazard a guess that any complaint would go through the local sheriff's dept and the responding deputy would make the call on how to deal with the guy

          •  There's a VA outpatient clinic in Dothan, AL (6+ / 0-)

            Which is about 10 miles but I think this level of disturbance would have been beyond their abilities and resources.

            •  thanks for the information (3+ / 0-)
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              That is the question now, if the guy could have gotten a referral and transportation to a residential facility (I fought this war on behalf of local vets many times as the facility would accept the vet but there was no transportation to the facility 100 miles away)

            •  Nearby? (1+ / 0-)
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              This area isn't that far from either Pensacola or Tallahassee. Pensacola has a very large military community; presumably they'd have a top-notch VA facility.

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              by Korkenzieher on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 10:44:17 AM PST

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            •  And how many (6+ / 0-)
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              veterans have given up on trying to get mental health services through the VA?  My husband was a Viet Nam vet and exposed to Agent Orange and we couldn't even get information from the VA about health problems that could have been related, let alone his getting help for his severe PTSD.  Help came from the outside privately while we still had services that were affordable.

              What most people do not realize is that many of these incidents are happening now because of the cuts in social services, whereas many incidents were stopped prior to getting to this point when we had access to help which was affordable.  I'm not talking so much about vets in my previous sentence as much as I'm talking about the whole of the population.

              "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

              by zaka1 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 11:16:18 AM PST

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              •  yup, that's true (2+ / 0-)
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                I was married to a Vietnam vet involved in the firefights in the jungle, and he had PTSD, and he never got any services.

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                by louisev on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 11:21:09 AM PST

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                •  My husband (2+ / 0-)
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                  use to wake up screaming in the middle of night in a cold sweat.  One night he broke down completely and told me some of things he experienced, he was a paratrooper, and honestly I was only 18 years old at the time and it truly was heartbreaking what he told me.  I knew there were terrible things that happen in the world, I grew up with many Holocaust survivors around me, but what he told me was just as horrible.  He was also upset that they did little debriefing when he returned, maybe a twenty minute talk, and that was all he got.

                  "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

                  by zaka1 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:25:41 PM PST

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                  •  yep, mine too (2+ / 0-)
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                    I have no contact with him anymore because our relationship was terribly destructive and ended about 22 years ago, but i spent 12 years living with someone who had a ticking bomb in the back of his head, and one time he woke up in the middle of the night and pinned me down in a clothes closet with his hands around my neck, and I could tell he wasn't in America just then, and I'm just glad I survived that night.

                    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

                    by louisev on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:28:33 PM PST

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              •  Exactly right (2+ / 0-)
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                The VA has failed too many people, for various reasons, from lack of funding to our national embarrassment over VietNam and the attempt to sweep it under the rug.
                And it's still going on.
                Lots of Gulf War 1 & 2 vets are going untreated as well.
                The way we treat our vets has been a national disgrace for a couple decades, carefully ignored by Corporate Media.

                If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                by CwV on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 11:48:35 AM PST

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                •  Lots of Gulf War (1+ / 0-)
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                  veterans and Iraq veterans are going without help.  A lot of my classmates were working with the veterans coming home, but I believe those programs have been cut and limited as well now.  I have a family member dealing with not only the Gulf War, but also Iraq.  Some of the veterans can't talk especially to therapists in the private sector because they aren't allowed to talk, so some turn to substances to get through.

                  The media makes a game of war, with their big screens, corporate sets and corporate reporters acting like it is something to be excited about.  

                  "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

                  by zaka1 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:45:46 PM PST

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              •  Checked the VISN groups.. (1+ / 0-)
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                He falls within VISN 7 and looks like not much treatment in that area,  He is close to 16 and 8..
                I just put in a call to a VN combat vet with ptsd with 40 years law enforcement to offer services for negotiations
                It will take another vet and that guy will not trust a government negoiater, will have to another vet.  The vet I called upon is a winger and could identify but this is what is called for..IMO.  He is also in VISN 7.   Hope he gets my SOS message , This guy I know and he has the training to help and the Nam experience and probably could talk the RW talking points,

                We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

                by Vetwife on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 01:17:20 PM PST

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            •  I have been looking for the VISN group (0+ / 0-)

              There is a problem......

              We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

              by Vetwife on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 12:27:20 PM PST

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          •  It use to be (5+ / 0-)

            that police departments had a staff social worker, or on-call social workers that made home visits in teams especially if there was a call from a family member or neighbors that there was a concern.  One of my co-workers actually left the ER and went to work for a police department.  But, many of those emergency teams and staff have been cut, many of which, did do out reach and wrap around services to unincorporated areas.

            "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

            by zaka1 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 10:15:46 AM PST

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      •  The MSM will grab onto anything, but (0+ / 0-)

        I mentioned not just PTSD, but also a likely pre-existing mental illness and a lifestyle that does not lend itself to getting help.

        "Maybe life's meaning is not so much found, as it is made." Opus, by Berke Breathed

        by Lisa in Bama on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 10:52:14 AM PST

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