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  •  No one is saying (1+ / 0-)
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    that no evaluation is necessary. We just know that standardized tests do little to nothing. Criteria should be local to the district so it can be responsive to the communities' needs. We need measures including -- but not limited to -- portfolios and classroom observation. The problem with national standards is that they are devised in DC and implemented in Las Angeles, Mobile, Peoria, and Honolulu.

    These suggestions would take no time out of the teachers' day.

    Thanks for your question.  

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    by Tristero 312 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 08:32:16 AM PST

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    •  Do local criteria insure nationwide standards? (1+ / 0-)
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      I agree that a local focus on education is the best response, but I'm curious how you do that at the same time that you meet national standards.

      How to you keep the standards rigorous in areas where parent involvement/interest is minimal?

      •  Do you think national standards are even (2+ / 0-)
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        So much of this is about resources, to other people who care about education, to families whose primary commitment is their kids, to school buildings that aren't run-down and grim, etc. etc.

        I'm ok with national standards as general metrics for data collection--but they're awful evaluators of, say, teaching quality, educational potential, etc.

        •  Yes, national standards are ridiculous (4+ / 0-)
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          leading to widespread cheating on tests (by the school administrators, not the students!!) in addition to all the other problems documented in this diary and its comments.

          The bottom line is that American schools do OK (w/ or w/o "standards") in affluent areas and suffer badly in impoverished locales.  None of this will change with massive testing.

          •  Even in the worst schools (1+ / 0-)
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            you will find individual students and individual classes that are head and shoulders above the norm. The difference between affluent areas and impoverished areas is the percentage of those students and classes out of the whole.

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            by Orinoco on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 11:42:05 AM PST

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        •  I'm generally torn (1+ / 0-)
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          Between allowing local schools a ton of autonomy vs insuring that they are receiving a proper education. If a school district wants to teach a 6000 yr old earth theory, I lean in the direction of national standards, but in terms in allowing schools freedom to innovate in their teaching methods, I lean towards giving them that autonomy.

          That said, the over-riding question is "Is it working?"

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