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  •  of course we need better mental illness (6+ / 0-)

    treatment. We can have more than one problem in this country at once, and we can address more than one problem in this country at once.

    the suicide issue is closely tied to gun ownership; gun owning men are more likely to kill themselves than non-gun owners. that doesn't mean people won't kill themselves other ways, but those methods are less effective and less "convenient" for an impulse decision. If we can address the massive availability of guns and blunt the siren song of gun culture, AND address mental illness, imagine the progress we could make on that issue alone.

    •  310 million guns already owned (3+ / 0-)
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      FrankRose, psnyder, Bailey2001

      how do you propose to:

      address the massive availability of guns
      when there are already 310 million guns on the street?
      •  Many things we can do about that (6+ / 0-)

        by drying up supply (restricting legal purchases, which create the supply for the black market), imposing choke points on the flow of weapons, funding buybacks, nationwide tracking to identify traffickers, etc.

        Those of us who care about this problem are in this for the long haul. It'll take decades, but the tide has turned, and we're tired of indulging gun fetishists.

        And if we don't do anything, there will be 410 million guns.

        And here's the cool part: fewer Americans own guns now than at any time in the last 50 years. That's right, the high number you quote is due to gun hoarding, not a wider use and ownership of guns.

        That makes the cleanup actually much easier - with only about a third of americans owning guns, and a majority that is tired of their reckless behavior.

        It's a typical pro-gun tactic to throw up ones hands and say, "we fucked up this country so much nobody should bother fixing it" but the rest of us aren't buying it, sorry.

        •  Your gun ownership stat isn't true (1+ / 0-)
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          Gun ownership is higher than it has been in 17 years, and it is on the rise.

          And it is sharply on the rise by women and Democrats.

          http://www.gallup.com/...

          Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.
          47%.. not a third.. nearly one-half.

          I'm not pro-gun.  I'm pro 2nd Amendment.  But that is beside the point.

          No one is proposing a "cleanup".  Guns will continue to be sold, except for perhaps assault style weapons.  And the number of guns will continue to grow.

        •  One half of American homes have at least one gun (0+ / 0-)

          and even though several polls suggest that anywhere from 37 to 42% say they are "gun owners" themselves...if they live in a home with a gun, although they might not be the personal owner....generally would suggest they approve of it being there.  

          However, these are poll numbers...in other words, people who don't mind telling a stranger that they have a gun.  These are not registration numbers or other types of undeniable data.

          If I were called my a polling firm and asked if I had a gun, my reply would be "None ya" or "No".....even though I do own them.....same with the Census or a doctor or whomever.

          So polls and stats probably don't include those who will not tell anyone they own a gun nor do they include those who know they are not supposed to have one, such as criminals. I think that most likely the numbers are far greater than we know.

          •  it's interesting that the NRA members (1+ / 0-)
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            psnyder

            and NRA households always poll differently, generally men (members) vs women (households). Often a gender gap for these issues.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 10:01:42 AM PST

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            •  I am a female gun owner. (0+ / 0-)

              My husband and I both are in support of gun rights.

               However, he is a more conservative Democrat than myself.  For me, this is the lone, single issue that I deviate from the far, far left and so I am willing to have discussions, and try to see other points of view.

               He, on the other hand, will rant for hours if it is even brought up.  This whole discussion has made him livid in all ways.  We don't talk about it much anymore, because it gives me a migraine.

    •  I'm not opposed to improving health (2+ / 0-)
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      lyvwyr101, RadGal70

      care, mental included. I positively support it. My point is that conflating it with the gun issue is usually a BS diversionary tactic of people and organizations who don't want to accept that the ready availability of guns of all sorts is the primary problem when it comes to gun violence in America.

      The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

      by psnyder on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 09:05:19 AM PST

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