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  •  WHAT ABOUT THE BULLETS??? (2+ / 0-)
    walk away with a wheelbarrow full of ammo and firearms
    As far as I know - and I'd love to learn to the contrary - background checks are not required to buy ammo.  Why not?  Why the fuck not?  After all, what are you going to do with ammo if not use it in a gun?  Last I heard, it's usually the bullets/shells in the gun that kills people.  Many fewer people are killed by being pistol/rifle whipped.

    Why not create another layer of protection from people being killed with guns?  There are already so many guns out there that it only makes sense to get a handle on their use by doing background checks for purchases of ammo for the guns that are already in people's hands.  Indeed, it may be the only level of control possible for the illegal use of guns that have already been sold.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 02:15:11 PM PST

    •  I cast my own bullets. (0+ / 0-)

      Out of scrap wheelweights.

      I do have to show ID and sign a logbook when I buy powder, but there's no way that's going to make a difference public-safety wise. Even if forensic analysis could determine the brand and lot of powder in a particular round, from residue on the case and/or bullet, that's not going to help. Each lot of powder is several tons at least, and it's sold in one-pound jugs.

      The same applies to primers.

      Hell, I've got three 1858 Remington cap and ball revolvers, each as deadly (six times... reloading is a bit slow unless you swap cylinders, and even that would take at least 10 seconds, with lots of practice) as most modern handguns, and the only thing I'd have to buy to load them are percussion caps... you can make black powder, although I never have. Under Federal law, they're not even firearms. Even living in California, I can buy them mail-order without any background check or ever stting foot outside my house, except to get the mail.

      Also, as defined in Heller, the right is to posses a functional firearm. DC tried to argue that, even if the 2nd Amendment protected a individual right, their law didn't infringe it because you could have a long gun, so long as it was stored locked or disassembled. That argument failed.

      Ammunition is essential to a functioning firearm... without it, it's a poorly-balanced club. Or amybe a spear, if you've got a bayonet.


      "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
      "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

      by Leftie Gunner on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 10:21:33 PM PST

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      •  I'd be happy if everybody had to make their own (0+ / 0-)

        bullets or their own shells.  It would undoubtedly cut down on the availability of bullets and certainly would over time reduce deaths by gun.  The fact that that gets around background checks is a poor argument against background checks for ammo.  And I don't see the relevance to Heller.  It's no more restrictive than background checks for the sale of guns themselves.

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 07:10:56 AM PST

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