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  •  Soccer Moms and Family Values (3.66)
    I think this is a great diary, and I've really enjoyed the discussion taking place here.

    GDoyle, I don't think you really understand the impact of these epithets on women at all. And I say that as a man, who has (often!) been guilty of using these same words in anger without forethought.

    I don't see anyone arguing for censorship, just to think before you speak, don't be so lazy, try to use a bit of imagination and come up with some more accurate and descriptive language to insult those who deserve to be insulted.

    Some great examples higher up in the thread, and I'm sure you can come up with a few of your own. You don't need to be sensitive about the targets of your anger, just watch out for the innocent bystanders who you may be alienating by your poor choice of words.

    If you think you can win over the cussin', spittin' "regular folks" by calling the chickenhawks "pussies" and "bitches", go right ahead. Kos does exactly that in his post which is on top of the page right now.

    But please don't tell everyone else that's the only way, because some of your fellow Kossacks would like to find some alternate rhetoric that can win over, or at least not totally alienate, women and maybe even some of those "values voters" - some of them seem to be waking up to the fact that Bush and his crowd don't share their values after all

    •  I understand (none)
      But I never said it was the only way. If someone chooses not to use the word "pussy"...that is their choice. More power to them. But I am sorry, "pussy" isn't as specifically directed at woman as you and others claim. It can also mean cat.

      And as I use it, it means wimp as well. Woman have no devine right to the word. Its not theirs. I use it to convey wimp. It has taken on that meaning on its own just as much if not more so than it means vagina or cat.

      Look it up in the dictionary. I just did. Meriam-Webster gives three separate main definitions....1.) a feline or cat 2.) the female body part connotation 3.) as an adjective.

      Its somewhat of a slang-term now isn't it? And while the term may have originally started out as a reference to female body parts, it clearly has taken on a life of its own. It has its own meaning. And lets face it, pussy is just slang for the female body part anyways, its not the true word for it. Why is one definition more important than the others?

      I don't think it is and I think some see offense where there is none.

      GDoyle

      "Deserves got nothing to do with it"-William Munny, "Unforgiven"

      by GDoyle on Tue May 31, 2005 at 10:36:14 PM PDT

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      •  I doubt it (3.25)
        "its diaries like this which give liberals a bad name"

        So, I guess susanw shouldn't have written this diary?

        ""pussy" isn't as specifically directed at woman ... It can also mean cat."

        So when you call Bush a pussy, you mean he is like a cat? No, I believe you mean he is weak, like a woman

        "certain racial epithets are out of line... But it is different. Cunt ... is used ... to express the same feelings (as) asshole"

        ???

        And as far as homer's "kike" vs. "pussy" analogy, I think kike is almost obsolete, I rarely see it and almost never hear it. But isn't it true that democrats/liberals/intellectuals are sometimes insulted or implied to be "jews" by anti-semitic right-wingers? I'm sure I could google a few examples.

        I certainly hear the word "nigger" used to insult people who are not black, is that only insulting to the immediate target of the insult, or is it more generally derogatory?

        •  No (none)
          You wrote:

          "So when you call Bush a pussy, you mean he is like a cat? No, I believe you mean he is weak, like a woman"

          Those are your words, not mine. I mean he is weak. But not like a woman. Guess your the one who has that in his head. Can there not be weak, wimpy men in your mind? There can in mine.

          GDoyle

          "Deserves got nothing to do with it"-William Munny, "Unforgiven"

          by GDoyle on Tue May 31, 2005 at 11:29:38 PM PDT

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          •  Have a good night (2.50)
            So, when you use words, you are talking to yourself? It doesn't matter how other people perceive those words? No, I didn't think so...

            Go ahead, keep talking to that "weak, wimpy man" in your own mind. I'll just try and ignore you

            •  I think I know... (2.33)
              How the word is perceived. I think you do too. Its not, in most people's mind, a slur at women nor anything that comes to mind logically when its used, despite theoretical discussions on here.

              And those were your words, not mine. Which I find interesting.

              GDoyle

              "Deserves got nothing to do with it"-William Munny, "Unforgiven"

              by GDoyle on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 12:04:41 AM PDT

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