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  •  Ever heard of dependent coverage? (8+ / 0-)

    Or David Lloyd George?

    Bit of history here.  Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister from 1916 to 1922, and, more importantly, Chancellor of the Exchequer (equivalent to Treasury Secretary) from 1908 to 1915, created the modern British welfare state.  But Clement Attlee, Prime Minister from 1945 to 1951 gets the credit, I think in large part because of how inadequate the Lloyd George reforms were at dealing with dependents.  

    And health care was at the center of it.  Lloyd George's National Health Insurance plan of 1911 provided a guarantee of coverage for anyone in employment, but left a big fat question mark over dependents, and it's a big part of why supporters of Lloyd George's Liberal Party defected to Labour over the ensuing 20 years.  It would be Clement Attlee and Health Minister Aneurin Bevan's National Health Service of 1948 that truly solved the problem and won the hearts of the nation, by covering all the people Lloyd George missed.

    Which example does this administration want to follow?  Or to put it another way, is this ruling for the long haul, or is it a stopgap with firm intentions already in place to push for something better?

    •  "National Health Insurance." 1911. (10+ / 0-)

      1911. One hundred and two years ago.

      Expansion of plan, 1948. Sixty-four years ago.

      And we're not even on the edge of discussing a real plan to this day. Just had to remark.


      Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

      by Jim P on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 03:15:19 PM PST

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    •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

      I added a comment about Lloyd George before I noticed your's.

      Labour likes to take the credit but it was in fact a Liberal, who sat briefly as an MP, William Beveridge whose report on how to tackle the "Five Giants" of Want, Disease, Ignorance, Idleness (unemployment) and Squalor formed the basis of the post-war consensus on the need to establish  "the Welfare State".

      "Who stood against President Obama in 2012?" - The trivia question nobody can answer.

      by Lib Dem FoP on Thu Jan 31, 2013 at 09:05:53 PM PST

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