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  •  Uprated for unjustified HR's (2+ / 0-)
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    The GateKeepers is a very complex movie as is discussed in a headline article at The Times of Israel

    Opponents who depict Israelis as oblivious or hateful won’t find much support for that here. Even some of the documentary’s villains — the Jewish extremists who fomented Rabin’s murder — get their own counterbalance: an image of an ultra-Orthodox Jew with a sign that says “I’m ashamed” soon after the killing.

    Beyond its individual participants, “The Gatekeepers” reflects positively on Israel in another key way, demonstrating the relative transparency and accountability of the establishment.

    As in “The Law in These Parts,” a recent documentary that examined Israel’s legal system in Gaza and the West Bank, “The Gatekeepers” relies on testimony from top officials — men who believe it is their duty to share important information with the public.

    Naturally they have their own biases and agendas, but their willingness to testify in the open suggests good things about their conception of democracy — what even tough-minded intelligence veterans owe their fellow citizens and society.
    To single out the interview of one man to make a point like this is doing exactly what bevenro is claiming.

    I would also say that the diarist is in violation of the HR rule but to be honest the admins. have abandoned all rules concerning HR's so that is what is. They should just do away with those rules because honestly, they have no intention of enforcing them.

    "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

    by volleyboy1 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 03:59:59 PM PST

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    •  I was pissed off when I posted so (1+ / 0-)
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      I can see why people may have misinterpreted the intent (athough I'm pretty sure that some people just ignored my intent anyway--so go these threads)

      I haven't seen the documentary yet, though.

      •  Ok - then do you think I should pull my uprate? (3+ / 0-)
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        I happen to think you are right though, but I will respect your wishes.

        Frankly, all this talk about equivalency with the Nazi's is disgusting because while the Occupation may be a number of things there is nothing even comparable in it to what happened during the Nazi period. And despite the hypocritical and frankly mind numbing ignorance displayed by people who would make the claim and use people who were traumatized by the Holocaust to help "prove" their point.. it just isn't true.

        "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

        by volleyboy1 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 04:26:25 PM PST

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        •  it's up to you--you can pull it if you like since (0+ / 0-)

          it won't bring my comment back anyway!

          Diarist obviously doesn't see what he/she is doing here, and the support for that sort of thing around here is aggravating (but expected unfortunately..)

        •  You say that (1+ / 0-)
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          And despite the hypocritical and frankly mind numbing ignorance displayed by people who would make the claim and use people who were traumatized by the Holocaust to help "prove" their point.. it just isn't true.
          But the diarist didn't do that -- the former chief depicted in the film did.  Isn't it striking that a man who lived in Germany during WWII and also served in Israel's military would make such a strong and provocative statement?

          The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

          by LiberalLady on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:46:39 PM PST

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