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  •  He wasn't saying they were equivalent though (1+ / 0-)
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    WattleBreakfast

    That seems to be what you are implying

    •  he can say whatever he chooses. (2+ / 0-)
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      Hey338Too, volleyboy1

      as far as I know he's not on this site.  And so can you.  But you invoke his comments to make a larger ironic point--and you treat his experience as something of a shield, so it's ok to draw these parallels because Shalom, who actually was IN the camps, does so himself.  He is one person, with one view, and that one view doesn't make Israel/Nazi comparisons any more legitimate.

      People use the Israel/Nazi thing around here for politically ironic purposes--and I intend to call it out every time.

      I also call out the knee-jerk equivalences of the U.S. government and fascism.  It's not fascism, but to call it so garners attention and scores political points.

      In this case the false parallel is far worse because you're talking about a direct and recent human tragedy that affects many people PERSONALLY on this site.

      •  Again we aren't talking about equivalencies (1+ / 0-)
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        WattleBreakfast

        I'm not going to fight your strawmen

        I also call out the knee-jerk equivalences of the U.S. government and fascism...

        In this case the false parallel is far worse because you're talking about a direct and recent human tragedy that affects many people PERSONALLY on this site.

        And he was personally affected by the Holocaust, and the very point he is making is that Jewish people were affected by the Holocaust and BECAUSE of that we should be vigilant against human rights violators... even among our own kind.  

        The lessons from the Holocaust weren't necessarily to fight oppression only in extreme cases like the Nazis, but in also less extreme forms like the Likud led government.  Oppression should be criticized vehemently whenever it shows its ugly head.

        You clearly do not understand the lessons from the Holocaust, and if you had any sense you would listen to our elders like Shalom who actually went through that terrible time instead of ignorantly bashing those poor souls.

      •  Do you intend to call out Judy Rudoren (1+ / 0-)
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        WattleBreakfast

        in the NY Times as well? She also saw fit to mention Nazi Germany in a story just two days ago about an Israeli soccer team's fans being more than distraught at the idea that muslim players were being recruited.

        Some young men had unfurled a banner at the previous game declaring “Beitar pure forever,” which reminded many here of Nazi Germany’s purging of Jews from athletics in 1933 and prompted statewide discussion about racism on and off the field.

        “People in Israel usually try to locate Beitar Jerusalem as some kind of the more extreme fringe; this is a way to overcome the embarrassment,” said Moshe Zimmermann, a historian at Hebrew University who specializes in sports. “The fact is that the Israeli society on the whole is getting more racist, or at least more ethnocentric, and this is an expression.”

        So is she an antisemite for writing that "many" in Israel were "reminded" of "Nazi Germany's purging of Jews..."?

        BTW, making a false accusations of antisemitism is a bannable offense here.

        The best way to prevent abortions is to arm fetuses.

        by Flyswatterbanjo on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:20:40 PM PST

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        •  haven't read it. (0+ / 0-)

          maybe it is, maybe it ain't.  It's not my job to troll through the media and assess each piece.  I'm busy.

          anyway, you'll note the admins have indeed denounced the old tried and true Nazi/Israel comparisons here, but please, feel free to sic the admins on me.

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