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  •  I've never more heavily considered an HR... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... than on this diary.  I am not going to do so here.  This diary is taking a sentence out of a movie, not giving it any context, and using it to support your opinion.  You provide a link to an interview with Dror Moreh, the director of "The Gatekeeper", in that interview he says this to his Democracy Now interviewers:

    DROR MOREH: Well, look, I—I have to say that I a little bit feel uncomfortable in the way that you present the things here, because you portray the things as if Israel is the brutal, aggressive all the time, with the Palestinians, that they are like doves. There is reason why the Shin Bet is doing what it’s doing there. And the fact of the matter is that you cannot say—in a way, portray Israel as the aggressive and the Palestinians are the innocent bystander who are always being killed by those aggressive forces. It’s not the case at all, and I think that this is misleading the people that are watching that.
    I agree with Mr. Moreh, you are doing the same thing here.

    I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

    by Hey338Too on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:05:05 PM PST

    •  Did I ever quote Moreh in my diary? (1+ / 0-)
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      He is the director.  He was never led Shin Bet.  Anyhow here is the full quote:

      Well, we turn now to an explosive new documentary film that features some unlikely and unprecedented criticism of the Israeli occupation of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. One subject of the film says, quote, "We are making the lives of millions unbearable, into prolonged human suffering, [and] it kills me." A different subject of the film says, We’ve become, quote, "a brutal occupation force similar to the Germans in World War II."

      AMY GOODMAN: Now, these aren’t the words of Israeli peace activists or even of soldiers who have refused to serve in the Occupied Territories; they’re the words of the former heads of the Shin Bet, Israel’s secret service and the agency responsible for the country’s internal security. And in The Gatekeepers, by Israeli filmmaker Dror Moreh, these five—these six former Shin Bet chiefs are brought together to speak out for the first time ever.

      Did the context change the meaning of the quote I posted in my diary?  Or maybe you think Amy Goodman is full of it.
    •  Here is more context: (1+ / 0-)
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      AMY GOODMAN: Former Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter. Talk about his response.

      DROR MOREH: Well, look, I—I have to say that I a little bit feel uncomfortable in the way that you present the things here, because you portray the things as if Israel is the brutal, aggressive all the time, with the Palestinians, that they are like doves. There is reason why the Shin Bet is doing what it’s doing there. And the fact of the matter is that you cannot say—in a way, portray Israel as the aggressive and the Palestinians are the innocent bystander who are always being killed by those aggressive forces. It’s not the case at all, and I think that this is misleading the people that are watching that.

      And I think that there is—if there is something that I failed while doing this film, it’s that the whole situation is different shades of gray. There is no really total aggressive person there or aggressive entity towards a very innocent and not violent entity on the other side. It’s both. Both are doing the worst that they can. I think that I can relate to what Abba Eban said once, our former foreign minister. He said that the Palestinians have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. I can say that on both sides. Both sides have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

      And this is the whole goal of The Gatekeepers. The Gatekeepers portrays Israeli occupation in the last 45 years and basically says, "Enough of that. It’s not going anywhere. It’s only tactic without strategy. Where do you want to go with this conflict ahead?" and to show that in a way that will only benefits both sides. If you portray only one side as the brutal, aggressive force and the other one as the innocent naive, you are doing wrong to the truth or to the facts on the ground. And I have to say that this is something which my movie tried to do very, very strongly: to portray the situation as it is. The Palestinians are doing terrorist attack. They have right to do, in a way, something which they want to create their own country, their own homeland, and they oppose the aggressive occupation.

      AARON MATÉ: Well, we certainly aren’t here to debate the history with you, but we are trying to portray your film, and your movie has some very powerful statements that should be highlighted. You know, you have Avraham Shalom saying something like—a line like: "[We’ve become] a brutal occupation force similar to the Germans in World War II."

      DROR MOREH: Yeah.

      AARON MATÉ: "We have become cruel, to ourselves as well, but mainly to the occupied population, using the excuse of the war against terror."

      DROR MOREH: Yes.

      AARON MATÉ: That’s in your movie, and it’s very powerful.

      DROR MOREH: Absolutely, I’m not—yeah, I’m not saying that it’s not in the movie. Well, I did that movie; believe me, I know every sentence that is inside that movie. What I felt is that when you portray that as the Palestinians are people that are sitting there, you know, and not doing anything, it’s not the reality on the ground. And by that, you have to show both sides, because I think that when you do that, you portray only one side. And I said that before. It’s—you have to be balanced. And this is something that I felt that is not so much here.

      AMY GOODMAN: Well, could you respond to both of these points? One is this powerful statement that Avraham Shalom says, the former head of Shin Bet—

      DROR MOREH: Yeah, yeah.

      AMY GOODMAN: —comparing themselves to the Nazis.

      DROR MOREH: He’s—well, look, I have to say that this sentence that Avraham Shalom said, I—when I was doing the interview, it felt like a physical blow to my stomach when he said that. And I have to say that Avraham Shalom—well, when you see the film, you’ll know what happened in the 300 line when he ordered the execution of two terrorists that were captured alive. I think—

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