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  •  I see little chance he actually gets impeached (21+ / 0-)

    by the legislature, but I want to see him impeached in the court of public opinion.

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    by Samer on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 07:53:24 AM PST

    •  Says a lot about the GOP (17+ / 0-)

      You would think protecting children would be something that cut across party lines.

      The NRA's response to calls for responsible gun law reform: noun, verb, Second Amendment

      by Christian Dem in NC on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:26:14 AM PST

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      •  Mark Foley, Henry Hyde, (16+ / 0-)

        and the Capitol Hill interns. They don't care about anything that may interfere with their ends. They covered up the "grooming" and other bad behavior that was ongoing. And don't even start with the Catholic Church, the heavily Republican Elders, and the massive coverup.

        Protecting children is rarely a stand alone goal for them.

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        by lexalou on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:41:51 AM PST

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      •  Not really a GOP Thing (1+ / 0-)
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        Football isn't a sport, it's a religion up there.  They all drink from that koolaid.

        Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

        by lostboyjim on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 10:18:16 AM PST

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        •  Not just here at Penn State but many other states (0+ / 0-)

          where football is a religion too. My sister lives in the south and says even high school football  there is a religion. So Penn State is not alone in protecting football.. Do not be shocked if you see more stuff like this at other colleges, hopefully not crimes against kids, but other scandals to protect football.

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          by wishingwell on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:18:03 PM PST

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        •  This is complete BULLSHIT. (4+ / 0-)
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          I got a Ph.D. at PSU, was an administrator/adjunct faculty member for 10 years, worked directly for a dean as her research director, ran one of the 2 CMHC's in Centre County for 5 years, was the psychologist at the community hospital for 10 years, provided services to Second Mile in my private practice, did ADD & LD evals for FB players and other athletes,  was on the boards of other local MH/MR non-profit providers,  and knew many of the principals involved (the psychologist who set off the original investigation, the investigating cop, the DA, the head of Second Mile, some of the Second Mile Board Members).  I knew none of the "accused" directly but many who did -- State College is a very small town when you count up only the long-term residents.  

          MANY administrators, faculty, staff, and residents felt strongly that Paterno had too much power -- this was a common discussion from at least the late 1980's.  But NOBODY believed that he had any power over academics, EXCEPT that he was an extraordinarily good fund-raiser who had had a career-long concern to help improve the academic quality of the University that was HIGHLY unusual among big-time college FB coaches.  This, and the fact that the graduation rate of the FB players, including the African-American FB players, was as high or higher than that of the general student body and usually among the top nationally, was one reason that so many PSUers you wouldn't otherwise expect it from (e.g., a former foreign national who was a McArthur fellow or the vastly cynical community sociologist on my comps & dissertation committees) were proud of the program and affectionate or at least respectful toward Joe. That hardly means that we "worshipped" football.

          In fact, I always thought the American  grafting of semi-pro sports onto higher Ed was more than slightly insane.  But as of 1970 or earlier, it was too late for enormous state U's to became the U.of Chicago.  Hell, my undergrad alma mater --Holy Cross -- that John Feinstein praised for dropping FB scholarships back in the day just re-instated them.  Sigh

          Also, an EXTREMELY high percentage of Paterno fans had come to believe that he should have retired many years prior to 2011 and were critical of the nepotism of his putting his son in an important position on the coaching staff.  Anybody who read the Penn State Internet FB boards from 2000 on would have found a very peculiar form of "worship.".  

          I don't have time or space to say what I think went on but IMO the culpability of the "accused" in this case was:

          1. An extraordinarily sloppy job by PA DPW in investigating the original 1998 complaint, one that borders, IMO, on malfeasance.

          2.  Good old boy complacency led the PSU administrators in 2001 to see the failure of the 1998-1999 investigations to yield criminal charges or a finding of child abuse as a reason to interpret the 2001 incident as dumbass Jerry just being stupid with his SM kids again rather than see it for what it was -- a very strong indication that there was something worse going on in 1998 than just "fooling around.". Culpable.  Hell, yes.  Conspitorial to "protect the program"?  I doubt it.  

          As for Paterno's culpability, he actually did initially exactly what was appropriate -- he kicked it upstairs to where such stuff was handled, ESPECIALLY since he wasn't knowledgeable about how such things were handled or qualified to evaluate the obviously vague report that McQueary gave him in 2001.  (All evidence suggests that McQueary's memory of what he told Paterno in 2001 had been considerably "enhanced" by the time of his GJ and trial testimony.)

          What outsiders don't understand was, as a former FB player and SM volunteer has said, Sandusky had "groomed" the entire area/community, so that it became difficult to see him for what he was, which, of course, is a classic pattern for pedophiles and other chronic con-artists (see Bernie Madoff).  And one way he did it was to have Second Mile do a tremendous amount of good, as I can attest as someone integrally involved in the adolescent mental health profession in Centre County from 1982-2007.   In fact, as cynical as I am and knowledgeable about such stuff (prison work, research with sociopaths, criminal justice prof), I have to admit that I too at first discounted the reports about Sandusky's crimes when I first heard them in 2010 or 2011.  I had always thought that Sandusky was somewhat of an immature goofball, but then such characteristics hadn't been unusual among the FB players and coaches I'd known; and, BESIDES, the man had done a tremendous amount of good and was trusted by people I knew and trusted. (E.g., my long-time office landlord was a longtime Second Mile Board member).  Silly me. Silly them.  

          •  with the exception of the second to last (1+ / 0-)
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            paragraph, I agree.  That may have been how the grand jury presentment was intended to read, but the Freeh report shows at minimum a higher level of reckless indifference on Paterno's part.    

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:35:30 PM PST

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          •  I have had a similar experience at Penn State but (0+ / 0-)

            on a different level but your observations mirror my almost exactly.   My father worked for the athletic dept until his retirement in the early 90s but he was also a PIAA referee and he knew the Athletic Director since he was a child and he was friends with his parents. Dad knew almost everyone involved with the exception of Sandusky. I also have close friends who played football for Penn State and I was also a student athlete there in the 70s.

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            by wishingwell on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:48:28 PM PST

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          •  I fear you are the exception, not the rule (0+ / 0-)

            Remember the literal idol worship of Paterno's statue before they finally removed it?  I do.

            There was a lot of coverup of Sandusky.  A lot.  One that can only happy where football is worshipped.   It's true in most college towns -- football is king, regardless of the quality of coach or athletes.

            Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

            by lostboyjim on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 05:53:12 AM PST

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      •  Yes and we Penn State alums know Corbett sat (4+ / 0-)
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        on this case as he wanted Joe Paterno's endorsement which carries a lot of weight in PA, well in some circles, that is. And he wanted the Penn State alum donations to his campaign. He is so transparent. And he thinks suing the NCAA will bring him back into favor with PA residents. well he is wrong.

        As a Republican friend of mine said...

        I will hold my nose and vote for a Democrat over that asshole Corbett.  He is incompetent, corrupt, and he is in this mess neck deep.

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        by wishingwell on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:16:31 PM PST

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    •  Why impeach him? A crippled Corbett is easier to (11+ / 0-)

      vote out of office. Even a number of conservative evangelicals son't like his efforts to privatize the State Stores (making it easier to get liquor). They and liberal and union people in a curious alliance have repeatedly thwarted changes in the State Store system.

      "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

      by TofG on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 08:27:44 AM PST

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      •  Yes we just want to deny him a second term (3+ / 0-)
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        As right now , he is on local tv talking about how he has just privatized the lottery, the liquor stores, and then he is determined to make PA a Right to Work state and then next he is working towards changing our electoral vote system here so electoral votes are doled out by district. Ie Obama won PA by probably 8 pct but he would have lost electorally by the Corbett system.

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        by wishingwell on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:19:58 PM PST

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