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  •  My father's parents helped Jews escape Germany (2+ / 0-)
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    My dad was born and raised in Germany and was 12 when Hitler was APPOINTED Chancellor.

    His parents helped hide Jews and helped Jews escape Germany.  

    His parents, my grandparents were "sensible": they did not want Jews to be murdered

    They were "sensible": they knew Jews were humans and that no human should be treated the way the Nazi's treated Jews.

    It was the vile brown-shirt fascist thugs that were not "sensible"

    Johnson proved, by her own words she is Anti-Semitic.

    There was nothing "sensible" about the Nazi platform -- not now and not then.

    My condemnation of Johnson was, and is, accurate.

    •  Absolutely. (2+ / 0-)
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      TeamSarah4Choice, JamieG from Md

      And I simply cannot believe that anyone--especially here on dkos--could be arguing otherwise.

      "'club America salutes you' says the girl on the door/we accept all major lies, we love any kind of fraud"--The Cure, "Club America"

      by Wheever on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 12:04:05 PM PST

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    •  I think you may be (0+ / 0-)

      confusing "sensible" with "decent" and/or "moral."

      The sensible thing to do, when your government is rounding up undesirables and murdering them, is to keep your head down and make sure you don't get targeted along with them.

      The moral thing to do is act to help them.  And your grandparents deserve all praise for their act of moral courage in the face of grave danger, and for recognizing the humanity of the people their rulers worked to dehumanize.

      ...

      ... and damn it, I really hate to add a "but" after that, because honestly your story about what your grandparents did is ultimately of greater weight than anything else that's been said in this entire diary and its comments combined.   Including everything I've said and the last thing I was about to say.

      So you know what, I'm going to leave it at that.

      •  You don't know what you are talking about. (0+ / 0-)

        Let me repeat

        You don't know what you are talking about.

        I am not confusing a god damn thing.  I know my grandparents were all of those things, they were SENSIBLE, moral and decent.

        Read and Learn

        1) Eliana Johnson wrote:

        25 non-senseless points, including the “unification of all Germans,” a demand for “land and territory for the sustenance of our people,” and an assertion that “no Jew can be a member of the race.” Suffice it to say, many SENSIBLE Germans were persuaded.
        Those Nazi supporters in Germany that Johnson calls "sensible" were not sensible they were jack-booted thugs, the were fascists, murderers, war criminals

        2. My grandparents were SENSIBLE.  They kept the wits about them and were able to successfully hide Jews and help them escape Germany and helping them get to safe countries like the USA.

        Do you have any idea how sensible a person has to be in order to get obtain "documents" for those escaping to be allowed into safe countries.

        Do you even know what type of "documents" those would be?

        SENSIBLE is what they were in addition to being moral and decent -- they were also sensible.

        The Germans who supported the Nazis were NOT sensible, ... Johnson is Anti-Semitic and wrong ... they were not sensible they were murderers.

        3) I will quote Wheeler from above

        To describe a people that agreed with Nazis, and took part in, overt violent racial extermination and genocide as "sensible" cannot be parsed away.
        The proper and usual description of such people by those who DO NOT agree with such people usually includes such terms as "vile" "murderous" "criminal" "insane" "thugs" "war criminals" "Racists" "evil" "despicable" and "unforgivable," to name but a few.

        You will note that "sensible" is not included in that list.

        •  Nope. Still leaving it at that. (0+ / 0-)
          •  So you think TS4C grandparents were not Sensible (1+ / 0-)
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            moral and decent?

            Ok, I must respectfully ask:
            what the fuck is wrong with you?

            You don't think people who helped Jews escape the Holocaust were: sensible, moral and decent?

            Anyone who thinks that the Nazi Platform was supported by "sensible" is not only wrong, they have a fucking screw loose.

            •  Batya clearly stated (1+ / 0-)
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              that he doesn't agree that "sensible" equates to moral and decent. I think it equally plain that Batya considers aiding the victims of Nazis to be both moral and decent. The point raised is that if we consider the preservation of one's self and one's family to be a "sensible" goal, it's one that's hard to reconcile with actions inviting death for both. That was the grim reality under Nazi occupation.

              One reason we honor those who aided the victims of Nazism is because their actions contradicted the dictates of "sensible" self interest.

              You really shouldn't be throwing around insults.

              Nothing human is alien to me.

              by WB Reeves on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:39:11 PM PST

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          •  I get it, you agree with Johnson and the Nazi's (0+ / 0-)

            You and Johnson both think "sensible Germans" agreed with the Nazis ... and somehow, in your little minds you've decided that Nazis were not Anti-Semitic and neither were the Jew Haters you and Johnson think were "sensible Germans"

            No wonder you do not think my grandparents were "sensible" -- they did not hate Jews.

        •  Sorry but (0+ / 0-)

          you are conflating sensible with moral. To be sensible is to to be pragmatic in the pursuit of one's goals. To be moral is to do what is right regardless of consequence. The first requires flexibility and accommodation, the second requires courage and the will to resist.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:16:18 PM PST

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