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  •  bullshit (5+ / 0-)

    they knew predation would be a problem, so predation compensation programs were set-up before the re-introduction and were the key to its implementation.

    they were not told "nothing would happen".  that's a flat out lie.

    big badda boom : GRB 090423

    by squarewheel on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 09:45:54 PM PST

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    •  That is what they were told (2+ / 0-)
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      Samulayo, ivorybill

      that the scientists believed there would be very little loss to the farmers. O the off chance that happened they would be compensated.

      It took a few years but losses on the ranches went up signifigantly/

      The government also claimed in more than few cases that the deaths were not the result of wolves and denied compensation. The problem was these folks often witnessed the attacks or could read the tracks and knew exactly what killed their calves.

      One of my uncles neighbors had 4 calves killed by the wolf pack, the government denied the claim so the next time he shot one of the wolves they promptly fined him for killing an endangered species and deied his claim on the calves.

      And people wonder why they were upset?

      It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

      by PSWaterspirit on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 10:18:31 PM PST

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    •  wolves mainly prey on Elk, not bison (3+ / 0-)
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      giddy thing, Kevskos, squarewheel

      And any of the bison that try to winter outside of Yellowstone in Montana are usually shot because Montana has a hunting season on bison.  The ranchers make another bull shit claim that the bison pass brucelloses to their cattle, even though there's never been a documented case of a bison passing brucelloses to cattle.

      There are some good ranchers in Montana that know that there are many ways to prevent wolves from bothering their cattle, like having dogs around, but many of those ranchers are simply gun toting, fox news following, nature conquering red necks who have no business running a ranch anyway.

      And don't forget, many of those cows that get attacked by wolves or bears, are grazing on OUR public lands for unbelievably cheap prices.  Rancher welfare from corrupt politicians of over a hundred years ago.  Those are OUR lands, and I want to see a wolf on MY public lands rather than a damn cow!

      •  yes prevention is indeed possible (1+ / 0-)
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        and I'm all for funding programs which would help ranchers deal with wolves.

        and those predation compensation programs are still in effect.

        everybody needs to read "wolfer".

        big badda boom : GRB 090423

        by squarewheel on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 10:43:06 AM PST

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