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  •  You know you manage to push my buttons (6+ / 0-)

    You always employ this patronizing tone. Can you tone that down a little?  You are not making friends and people are not going to listen to you.

    States set kill numbers not in order to keep predator populations healthy or in check, but to assure big surplus populations of deer and elk, and to cater to the creepy urges of those who like to shoot apex predators and think about what big men they are.  

    You know how Idaho sets its kill numbers for mountain lions?  By assuming that the population is 5X what the annual kill rate is.  They don't do careful studies of what the population actually is.  Steve Nadeau, IDFG's Large Carnivore Manager, guessed that "given an estimated harvest rate statewide of approximately 15-20%, we would back calculate and estimate a state population of about 2,000-3,000 lions."

    Did you catch that?  Idaho determines what they think the population of mountain lions is by guessing according to how many are shot.  It's not based on ecosystem analysis, gap habitat analysis, any sort of science on what the cascade effects are of removing male mt lions (the next male that comes into the territory kills all immature mt lions so he can breed quicker) etc.  The DFG's estimate of up to 3000 mountain lions is likely an overestimate.  They get those numbers because they want to keep hunters happy. There are probably 1500 mt lions tops in Idaho.

    And in Idaho, they killed >50% of all the wolves in the state.  That's not a sustainable "harvest" level, even if you think wolves are for "harvesting".  We all agree to limited predator management but this needs to be based on conserving and promoting very healthy apex predator populations.  That's the first priority.  In Idaho at least,  that's not the policy.

    So stop pretending we're all idiots and stop patronizing us.  Good luck with your elk hunt.  We're not denying you that.  But getting off on shooting wolves, or mt lions, or apex predators, well enjoying killing is not a very attractive attribute.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 11:59:38 PM PST

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