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  •  you mentioned China (5+ / 0-)

    funny story is that some years ago N Korea started a ciggie factory to smuggle cheap smokes into China.  When China protested, it came to light that several British and American tobacco companies were co-partners in the venture with a 50% stake in the enterprise which used slave labor.

    Of course, no one plays by "Da Rulez" these days.  I see headlines this morning that our resident Afghan leader, Karzai, in addition to being neck deep in the drug trade, is also trading with Iran under the table despite US sanctions.  It may be that even some US gear we are providing the Afghans is ending up in Tehran

    •  only commoners are to play by the rules. (3+ / 0-)
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      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 03:53:57 AM PST

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      •  yeh but it was ballsy of N Korea to undercut (2+ / 0-)
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        the ciggie market for the Chinese since China is their only patron and they are so dependent on Chinese aid.  Guess it goes to the old axiom that a mule will work and plow faithfully for you for 20 years, endure starvation and deprivation and beatings all to get one chance to kill you.

        •  Not fair to mules! (1+ / 0-)
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          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 05:39:29 AM PST

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          •  that grew out of a real incident where a man (4+ / 0-)
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            was infamous in the community for mistreating his mule.  He starved her, beat her and worked her almost to death and refused to treat her collar sores.  She worked faithfully for years and was as sweet tempered an equine as ever was until one day, the owner was unhooking her from a tobacco "drag" while harvesting tobacco.  He had to bend down between her hindquarters and the drag  when all of a sudden she kicked out, the hoof whistling past his head and shattering the 2x4 crosspiece on the drag.  He never mistreated her again

    •  Personally, I'd bet that the quailty of the (1+ / 0-)
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      Chinese slave labor camp beats those of NK anyday. And I'm not talking about the quality of the end product.

      Man, nothing like prison labor to create a cost advantage.

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:05:01 AM PST

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      •  then why isn't the US more competitive? (3+ / 0-)
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        As many as we have incarcerated, we should be an industrial powerhouse, exclusive of non-prison labor

        •  We are (0+ / 0-)

          mostly just using them to do government jobs now.   Cleaning up trash, weeding around government buildings, painting over graffiti.  That way we don't have to hire low end workers for the governments.

           The way we are building prisons they are going to start competing more against private sector workers if we let them.

          •  that failed in GA who followed up a crackdown (1+ / 0-)
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            on migrant workers with a program to replace them with inmates but the inmates refused to work for less than the workers and crops rotted in the field

            •  Right (1+ / 0-)
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              now 100000's of menial government jobs like picking up trash, weeding, painting is be done by prison labor.  Jobs that need doing but that should be paid at least minimum wage.  You can hire a prison crew for $0.50 an hour, plus guard salary ($15-20 Hour).  12 workers x 6 hours x.5+120 guard=$156 fir a work crew.  Hire day workers at just minimum wage $7.25 x 6  hours x 12 workers = $522.  Make that a decent job with benefits and the cost goes up.  Without prison labor the county I live in, Yuma, AZ, and its cities, towns and reservations, would not have weathered the recession as easily.

              •  Take into consideration "Classification" though. (1+ / 0-)
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                We have always, inevitably, sent at least some people to prison who really didn't need to go. Then along came the Drug war, and we upped that figure to somewhere over 50%. So now "modern penology" employs "classification" to sort folks out once we land inside. What it amounts to is an intencive screening where huge numbers land in the category of "of, you didn't really do anything, or at least not anything different from what everyone else does". Then those people can be housed in all sorts of environments where almost no supervision (and often none at all) is required. The hacks love it because who wants to walk around among a bunch of true bad asses all day? And as far as work crews, etc. goes we have half way houses, home arrest, work release, Prison Camps, etc.

                One guard for every 12 prison laborers, that's so old fashioned.

                There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

                by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 02:06:30 PM PST

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