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  •  Sorry, not interested. (3+ / 0-)
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    Amazon has too long of a right-wing record.

    Amazon has received intense and well-deserved criticism for working conditions in its warehouses, where temperatures can reportedly rise above 100 degrees Fahrenheit. The people working inside them are underpaid, overworked, subject to firing without cause and deprived of employee benefits. Amazon gets away with this because it uses a variety of legal tricks, like demanding that its employees call themselves “independent contractors.”

    Amazon has also taken heat for its membership in ALEC—the American Legislative Executive Council—a corporate-funded group that backs right-wing politicians. ALEC also drafts and promotes laws like those that effectively disenfranchised large numbers of minority voters, the “Stand Your Ground” legislation that has resulted in the death of Trayvon Martin and a number of other people, and the anti-union laws brought to national attention by Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker.

    If nothing else, Bezos offered symbolic gestures of conciliation today. He announced that Amazon would spend $52 million to install air conditioning in its warehouses and that it was leaving ALEC “because of positions they’ve taken not related to our business.”

    Your airy, dismissive "As far as the warehouse, yes, they ran into trouble and then they spent the money to air-condition them" comment barely merits a response, but suffice to say that if you really believe that it's All Better Now, as the quoted sentence implies (together with the implication that It Really Wasn't All That Bad To Begin With), I envy you your credulity and your naiveté.

    And even in online bookselling, there are alternatives.

    •  Of course you wouldn't be interested (0+ / 0-)

      If  the entire proof of Amazon not being up to your personal standards of what constitutes  some sort of liberal vision of nirvana in business that comes directly from  a cut and paste from the Nation Magazine.  Business that only exist at that size in feverish liberal fantasies.

      When the issue of the warehouses first came up, I explained how difficult it was to cool a warehouse because of the high ceilings. See I had the same problem in 88 when the heat index was 115 degrees in my business. We spent every dime we had to try to solve it. Roof top A/C was not only not in our affordability range but the roof wasn't flat. It was a  roof seen on houses than a 10,000 sq foot facility.

      52 Million is not trivial for a company that is  delivering 1% net profit margins.

      There are still many liberals shopping at Apple  even though they use slave labor to build their products and don't pay far more  than Amazon does to warehouse workers (regardless of education),  to their college educated retail workforce even though Apple  would only reduce gross margins by about 1% to double their wages to the 33,000 workers they have in retail stores.

      That would  bring them in-line with what the telephone stores have. But I suppose if they have A/C, then a non-living wage and two soggy tacos at bonus time should be enough as long as as liberals like you,  long disconnected from  reality, have their iPads and other iGadgets at close proximity..

      Your post shows a complete absence of critical thinking and maturity. Grow up. Life never  fits into your preconceived notions of how things should be, nor will it. It also shows you have never owned or started a business and wouldn't have a grasp of the many constituencies a business owner has to placate to be successful. You don't hear Bezos spouting off about Fascism over the ACA as you do the  Whole Food's CEO a long time Liberal Favorite.

      By the way 52 Million in roof top air conditioners is not a trivial expenditure, even for Amazon, who have delivered  many quarters with zero profits.  I used to have Carrier as a client, plus a downstream supplier of similar products.  He can only do so much to warehouses already built and he would be one of the very few companies that own those large warehouses that would have bothered at all.

      Your mindless insults should have been HR'd if I believed in that nonsense. Alas,   I've seen this type of ignorance too many times here . Hey, at least you can take comfort that you aren't alone .

      •  Well, well, well. (0+ / 0-)

        Someone on DKos apparently really, really doesn't like liberals.  This is going to be fun.

        If  the entire proof of Amazon not being up to your personal standards of what constitutes  some sort of liberal vision
        We're gonna see that word a lot.  Apparently Dburn considers it a pejorative.  Interesting, considering that we're on DKos.  That kind of stuff flies much better at The Blaze, Daily Caller, and redstate.com.  Perhaps you forgot which site you were on?
        comes directly from  a cut and paste from the Nation Magazine.
        Oh noes!  Not The Nation!  That Librul Rag!  Nobody with a brain reads that, it's all just librul trash! Who cares if it's the oldest continuously-published weekly in the United States?  

        If you have a problem with The Nation's, or specifically in this case, R.J. Eskow's reporting, here's where you can say so, and defend your assertion.   Otherwise, your "shoot the librul messenger" tactic is both worthless and meaningless, and again, would be more at home at redstate.com and its ilk.  Good luck with that here, though.

        Of course, that's by no means the only proof of Amazon's right-wing track record, including its membership in ALEC, which it only recently resigned under public pressure.

        Business that only exist at that size in feverish liberal fantasies.
        There it is again.  Rush, is that you?
        When the issue of the warehouses first came up, I explained how difficult it was to cool a warehouse because of the high ceilings....
        Ah yes, it's so terribly, terribly hard to be a business owner in this here country.  Where have we heard this trope before?  

        Life's hard. Deal with it.  It's what some business owners tell their employees all the time; about time business owners were held to the same standard.  Get HVAC that works, or build a warehouse that can be cooled, given by your own remarks that the problem only exists with existing or poorly-designed warehouses.

        52 Million is not trivial for a company that is  delivering 1% net profit margins.
        Like I said, it's so terribly hard to be a giant corporation.

        Jeff Bezos's personal fortune is about $23 billion.  If he were to pay for it himself, that $52M spent on air conditiioning those warehouses would amount to less than one quarter of one percent of his personal fortune.  And when that was over he'd still have about $22,948,000,000 left over (round numbers, of course).  Now, some might say that that would be a smallish price to pay, in the scheme of things, in order to treat ethically and responsibly the workers whose efforts reward him so richly.  Others, of course, will say that's a feverish liberal fantasy.

        There are still many liberals shopping at Apple
        Oh, look, there's that word again!  We are now about to see the "libul hypocrite" trope dragged out, which is really little more than  a warmed-over version of the "Limousine Liberal" and "Hollywood Liberal" shticks that Republicans and their rich owners have been flogging for decades and Rove is still using.  

        No question about it.  Apple's labor practices suck.  And, therefore, by Dburn's -- well, I really wouldn't call it "reasoning" -- if you're going to avoid one company you must boycott them all.  Of course, finding any computer manufacturer whose labor practices don't suck, these days, is pretty much a fool's errand.  Unless, of course, you'd like to name some.  Which you haven't.

        But I suppose if they have A/C, then a non-living wage and two soggy tacos at bonus time should be enough as long as as liberals like you,  long disconnected from  reality, have their iPads and other iGadgets at close proximity.
        My, oh my, there's that word again.  You do seem to toss it around almost as often as Ol' Rush does.  And... my oh my oh my, stereotype much?  You'd better not be painting anything smaller than the side of an aircraft carrier if you're going to use that broad a brush.

        Apple's labor practices are of course worthy of discussion (and as I stated above, I think they pretty much suck), and the subject of a much longer post or comment.  But not when you're using them as you are, which is just as a convenient whip with which to flog your hated liberals.  

        Your post shows a complete absence of critical thinking and maturity.
        Mm-hmm.  OK.  Ad hominem argumentation.  Let's move on.
        It also shows you have never owned or started a business and wouldn't have a grasp of the many constituencies a business owner has to placate to be successful.
        That would probably come as a surprise to the folks at the IRS, who have seen my Schedule C and associated documentation for about the last 23 years.  It's only a sole proprietorship, and I don't have employees, so I'll concede the point about placating constituencies, if by constituencies you mean employees or shareholders.

        But as I intimated before, the comment drips with self-pity as well as pity for all other Job Creators -- ahem, business owners.  But not, of courser, for workers.  Evidently they should just be happy and grateful that some Job Creator has given them a job, and suck up and deal no matter what the working conditions are.  Are you sure you might not feel more at home perhaps with Mittens and Paul?

        You don't hear Bezos spouting off about Fascism over the ACA as you do the  Whole Food's CEO a long time Liberal Favorite.
        Oh, look!  That word again.  Someone really, really, really doesn't like liberals, but really enjoys painting with a broad brush.  Liberals all shop at Whole Paycheck, evidently, and have no clue or don't care about Mackey shooting his damn mouth off.  And they're all rich hypocrites, too, because.... well, just because they are.

        But apparently someone also (unsurprisingly) hasn't been paying attention, given that a lot of liberals have actually been threatening Whole Paycheck with a boycott.

        By the way 52 Million in roof top air conditioners is not a trivial expenditure, even for Amazon, who have delivered  many quarters with zero profits.  I used to have Carrier as a client, plus a downstream supplier of similar products.  He can only do so much to warehouses already built and he would be one of the very few companies that own those large warehouses that would have bothered at all.
        See above.  I'm touched by your concern for large corporations and business owners.  Less so by your evident lack of concern for the people who work for them.

        I look forward to your next post.  Perhaps it can be about Union Thugs and their Liberal Backers vs. the poor, heroic Job Creators.

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