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  •  The Patriot Act is the real tyranny. (3+ / 0-)
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    Agathena, elwior, Dogs are fuzzy

    The 4th Amendment is gone, and anyone of us can be disappeared down a dark hole for the rest of our lives simply by some official declaring us to be a terrorist.  No lawyer, no trial, no rights of any kind.

    Unfortunately, I think we are infected with the lethargy Jefferson warned about. It was simply far too easy for our elected leaders to use fear to violate the constitution. And if our leaders never fear our resolve, never fear a backlash of any kind, then our rights are gone for good.

    Indefinite detention has worsened under Obama, this is not a left-right issue, both sides are compromised. Which individual election is going to turn this tide?  Will it even be possible to overturn the Patriot Act through the ballot box?  Our leaders no longer seem to care about the 4th amendment at all, and that is very scary to admit.

    •  Jesus Christ. (2+ / 0-)
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      elwior, LilithGardener

      You wonder whether a country that resisted the tyranny of the British, overturned slavery and instituted universal sufferage can repeal a law?

      Um ... yeah! ...

      •  Can and will are different things (3+ / 0-)
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        a2nite, Agathena, elwior

        Can we overturn it?  Sure, but I think it will take a new constitutional amendment to do it.  What are the odds that will happen any time in the next 30 years?

        Like I said, it's only gotten worse under Obama and no Repug will ever repeal it. Trust me, Obamacare will be overturned before indefinite detention and all the other provisions that have been passed.

      •  And the law is unconstitutional. (3+ / 0-)
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        Agathena, joanneleon, elwior

        Don't you have a big problem with having to repeal a law that violates the 4th Amendment?  It shouldn't be possible to even have indefinite detention without trial.

        The fact that a law was passed that shouldn't have been able to been passed at all makes it extremely unlikely to ever be repealed. You think those who sought this power will ever give it up?

      •  We can even amend the constitution - and have (0+ / 0-)

        done so how many times!

        The law swings like a pendulum, and in the US the extremes are never so extreme that millions of people from around the world stop wanting to risk their very lives for a tiny chance to live and work here. Hmmmm.

      •  And still is a country where citizens have (0+ / 0-)

        numerous avenues to access various firearms, with which to routinely accidentally and intentionally shoot their fellow citizens and not face time the next decade or more in prison.

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