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  •  There is no law of which I'm aware that codifies (3+ / 0-)
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    Eclectablog, vcmvo2, elwior

    indefinite detention. Our Congress has never passed such a law, and last I checked, our elections are free and fair. Indefinite detention is an example of an abuse of power that can be (and has been in the case of Jose Padilla) redressed by the courts.

    You claim that there is "whatever law" (of which you don't offer an example) is problematic. Instead of insisting that I explain how an imaginary law isn't an example of a police state, why don't you do some research and provide us with a real example of your claim.

    •  Here it is, the NDAA signed by Obama (2+ / 0-)
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      Simplify, elwior

      Now the article says the indefinite detention provisions can be waived. But that doesn't mean they will be waived. If the military calls you a terrorist, they can hold you forever.

      The law is also being challenged in court and sanity may prevail. But if it does not, we have real problems.

      Also, the fact that Jose Padilla's case was addressed by the courts doesn't excuse what happened. Padilla was diesels by the police state, there is no argument against that.

    •  In case you haven't noticed, Jose Padilla (3+ / 0-)
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      Simplify, elwior, Dogs are fuzzy

      was completely destroyed by his persecution. I'm sure that whatever redress was "available" to him came as small comfort.

      The bottom line is that they can do whatever the fuck they want to you, and by the time you can get redress, it's too late -- which means the redress isn't in fact redress, it's the equivalent of a show-trial in reverse. It's just theatre. Meanwhile, only a crazy person would openly defy them, understanding the price that will be paid.

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:24 PM PST

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