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  •  Wowie and Ouchie on the poll. (6+ / 0-)
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    tb mare, DRo, SueDe, belle1, Stude Dude, Amber6541

    Hooray to number 1 --

    The single best way to stanch the flow of undocumented immigrants is take away what they're coming to the United States for: better lives for themselves and their familes.

    We cannot realistically claim anybody to be "illegal" if we  ignore the drawing card and refuse to deal with employers who hang out the "Come on over" sign.

    Of course, that ignores one little problem -- it's already illegal to hire undocumented workers.  I take the poll response to be strong support for actually enforcing the law, maybe even making the penalties a good deal harsher.

    Bummer to number 4 -- those H1-B visas are already being used to throw experienced Americans out of work and bring in cheaper labor.  In the current economy, it's been absolutely brutal, and they want more?

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    by dinotrac on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:39:13 AM PST

    •  that last GDP graph (3+ / 0-)
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      was for you, with the depth of the recession.

      There's unevenness to #4... there are frequent dr and nurse shortages, for example.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:41:57 AM PST

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      •  Thank you for that graph, and, yes, there is (3+ / 0-)
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        unevenness to #4.  The visa program was originally created to help relieve such shortages.  Now, especially in IT-related fields, it's just used to throw/keep experienced people out of work or depress their wages.

        As to the potential GDP graph -- ouch.  

        It's a nice visual that looks past the traditional dynamic definition of recession.  It also gives support to grumpy folk like me who question whether we've truly avoided a depression in the eyes of anybody but economists and policy wonks.

        That's a long, long hurt.

        The clincher was actually another graph inside the same article -- the one charting long-term unemployment. Absolutely heartbreaking.

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        by dinotrac on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 06:02:06 AM PST

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      •  I worked in hospitals for over a decade (4+ / 0-)
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        and still work in a partial hospital across from a real hospital.

        I have always noted Nurse shortages and have always connected them to the way many hospitals treat nurses: sort of like shotgun shells: use them up and eject them, complain about a shortage.

        Perhaps my experience isn't representative, but I feel that dynamic has been ground into my face, I have seen it so much.

        Managed care, again.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 06:04:46 AM PST

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    •  Enforcing the law? (0+ / 0-)

      Around here that means going after the lawn care business in town, as well as farmers and ranchers, who depend on the cheap labor. ICE sure isn't going to do it.
      They raided a meat packing plant in Colorado a few years ago, held over 300 people for days who had "suspicious" IDs (and weren't carrying their green cards). Ended up arresting 65 people (out of over 1800 employees). So a few do slip through, but the majority are legal.
      Big corporations don't hire illegals anymore if they can help it, it's too risky and expensive. Our HR people just went through a 2 day class about identifying state drivers licenses (telling the fake from the real ones). They're getting harder to counterfeit, which is good.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 07:24:41 AM PST

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      •  Whoever it means -- including the day labor (1+ / 0-)
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        I really believe that the vast majority of undocumented immigrants are just like immigrants throughout our history: looking for better lives and, perhaps, a fresh start.

        If it ain't there, most of them won't come.
        If they don't come, we'll start to get a real picture of how much we need them.

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        by dinotrac on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 07:32:18 AM PST

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